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On this date in 1864

Posted on 11/15/2017 6:05:25 AM PST by Bull Snipe

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Each of these wars and/or operations contained multiple war crimes that greatly exceed the size and scope of civilian death and destructiveness that Sherman inflicted upon Georgia.

You do note that you are including entire wars in comparisons with this single campaign, do you not? Additionally, you aren't normalizing for the differences in population and technologies in many cases.

Also, the fact that others have done worse, does not excuse the behavior of someone who committed less worse atrocities.

21 posted on 11/15/2017 7:17:22 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: GreenLanternCorps

good looking shirt.


22 posted on 11/15/2017 7:18:02 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

also proves five million people should not start war with 20 million people.


23 posted on 11/15/2017 7:19:37 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Mariner

Burning Atlanta to the ground on his way out. Now he’s burning in Hell for eternity. :-)


24 posted on 11/15/2017 7:19:53 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Bull Snipe
Who pulled the lanyard first, who signed letters of Marque first?

The Colonists did. The British threatened to seize their arms, so the Colonists fired upon them.

Had George not sent that force to molest them, there would have been no occasion for them to fire upon his forces.

Lincoln sent the warships to attack the Confederates surrounding Sumter. Lincoln fired the first shot with those orders for that fleet to attack.

25 posted on 11/15/2017 7:21:12 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Johnny Reb shot first.

Lincoln shot first. He ordered a fleet of warships to attack the confederates before the confederates had even lit off a single round.

But if you want to be utterly picky about it, Union soldiers fired the first shots at Fort Pickens against the Florida Militia in January of 1861.

26 posted on 11/15/2017 7:23:08 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
also proves five million people should not start war with 20 million people.

It was one man that started the war. It was Abraham Lincoln. He started the war when he sent warships to Charleston with orders to ATTACK the confederates.

Lincoln started the war, and he did so deliberately. All but one of his cabinet told him this action would start the war, and they were absolutely right.

27 posted on 11/15/2017 7:25:15 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe

I believe it was Sherman who was talking to his friend, a Confederate general, before the war, telling them not to start it, because a farming nation cannot defeat an industrial nation.


28 posted on 11/15/2017 7:27:09 AM PST by lurk
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To: DiogenesLamp

ordering a U.S. Ship anywhere is not “firing a shot.” Shooting 20 pound cannon balls into a Federal Fort, is.
Two naval vessels, one Revenue Cutter and two rented commercial ships hardly constitutes a “fleet”. Davis signed letters of Marque on the same day he fired on Fort Sumter.
Both clear and deliberate acts of war


29 posted on 11/15/2017 7:29:36 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DoodleDawg

Most of those farms and plantations your hero burned, raped and pillaged his way through were being maintained by women and children. There were no fighting men around. It doesn’t take much bravery to whip a bunch of women, dig up their silver tea service, steal all their food and burn their house down then leave them to starve. That’s the reality of what happened. Thanks for reminding why the POS is burning in Hell. :-)


30 posted on 11/15/2017 7:30:38 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: DiogenesLamp
"Lincoln sent the warships to attack the Confederates surrounding Sumter."

Because they were surrounding Sumter, after multiple federal installations had already been seized. Per the Constitution such military installations are property of the United States in perpetuity. There was absolutely no obligation to hand them over to southern states in light of secession, as I've seen argued. Regardless of the constitutional issues surrounding secession, the seizure of US military posts constituted an act of war.

31 posted on 11/15/2017 7:30:38 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yeah. Sherman was Hitler. Uh huh.

It was probably pretty foolish for those 5 million to declare war on the 20 million to begin with, don’t you think?


32 posted on 11/15/2017 7:32:25 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Sherman wasn’t Hitler. He was an equal opportunity butcher. :-)


33 posted on 11/15/2017 7:34:28 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Mariner

Simply no


34 posted on 11/15/2017 7:36:50 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
That’s the reality of what happened.

Hardly.

35 posted on 11/15/2017 7:38:16 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Joe 6-pack
A lot of people have lauded Grant’s Memoirs, and rightfully so, and perhaps that is why Sherman’s Memoirs are overlooked. They make for a fascinating read.

I've read Grant's excellent memoires and have Sherman's on the shelf. I really need to get around to reading them.

36 posted on 11/15/2017 7:39:07 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The die was cast by the rebels before Lincoln assumed office. To claim some sort of conspiracy to fleece the southern states is the height of folly.


37 posted on 11/15/2017 7:39:32 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

I freaking love that shirt.


38 posted on 11/15/2017 7:41:07 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: lurk

Is this the Quote: “The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.”
Sherman made this comment to Professor David F. Boyd at the Louisiana State Seminary on the 24th of Dec 1860.


39 posted on 11/15/2017 7:41:15 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

I call Godwin’s Law. You lose.


40 posted on 11/15/2017 7:42:06 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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