Posted on 07/03/2017 6:20:40 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
DNA ruled out the Carr nephews.
that would be problematic.
a quick check of the scorecards indicates that you're way up on points right now.
She’s the female Thomas Jefferson!
I try.
(s) shhhhh ancestry.com just paid them a chuck of cash to be in their tv commercial pushing that discredit story.(/s)
Can’t deny the DNA!
Some of those sites angered me deeply. I participated heavily and provided some very good content on a number of my lines, some of which were prominent and several of which were very far-flung and therefore of tremendous interest.
But, then they became a pay site and required me to pay a fee. I refuse, and changed my email address. Their loss, I’m not fielding questions from their subscribers, sorry.
“father of her white children.”
Aren’t they all considered black? More than the old 1/32nd of african ancestory or whatever it was.
DNA proved that only her last child, a son, was a Jefferson. But which Jefferson is in question as Thomas’ DNA was never acquired or tested. His age alone might put question on this parentage.
Back up a minute.
I said the articles first came out in the fall of 1998.
From the source you cited, the DNA was not even studied until 2000.
There is no question that the media trumpeted the alleged Sally Hemings affair with TJ to help Clinton in 1998, before any definitive proof was even presented.
That was the subject of my last post.
Are Freezers anti-Warmist?
Ol’ Virginny is a lovely state and the Valley speaks to me, feels like home though I’ve never lived there, but it also could be a very authoritarian place. “Mulattoes” could not own property and the definition of that term was very broad to the point of being vague, including indians and even anyone darker than they thought a white person should be regardless of any known heritage. A lot of such people ended up fleeing to comparatively wild and ungoverned NC to get away from that. Part of the reason I doubt this Thomas Jefferson paternity is due to knowing how Virginia was toward such people for a fair amount of it’s history, certainly through to the Civil War era.
I think according to the law in Virginia at that time, they were considered slaves, no matter their color.
“Ellen Wayles Randolph Coolidge, Jefferson’s white granddaughter, who had moved with her mother, Martha Randolph, and her father and brothers and sisters to Monticello in 1809, knew the Hemings children well. All of Sally’s children were “fair,” she wrote privately to her husband in 1858, and “all set free at my grandfather’s death, or had been suffered to absent themselves permanently before he died.”
She wrote further in this revealing letter:
It was his principle (I know that of my own knowledge) to allow such of his slaves as were sufficiently white to pass for white men, to withdraw quietly from the plantation; it was called running away, but they were never reclaimed. I remember four instances of this, three young men and one girl, who walked away and staid away. Their whereabouts was perfectly known but they were left to themselves—for they were white enough to pass for white.
Ellen’s brother, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, in a confidential interview with an early Jefferson biographer, admitted that Sally Hemings “had children which resembled Mr. Jefferson so closely that it was plain that they had his blood in their veins.” In one case, he said, “the resemblance was so close, that at some distance in the dusk the slave, dressed in the same way, might have been mistaken for Mr. Jefferson.”
http://www.americanheritage.com/content/thomas-jefferson%E2%80%99s-unknown-grandchildren
Nice post!
Here I am surfing FR and I learn something new.
It’s Freepers (aka “Freezers” as of today...LOL) with their distributed smarts that make FR a good read.
Actually, the New York Times covered this via Fawn Brodie in 1974.
http://www.americanheritage.com/content/thomas-jefferson%E2%80%99s-unknown-grandchildren
Freezers are dangerous. They have an opinion about everything and will not hold back when it comes to anti-Freezers.
after 8 generations it becomes academic.
go far back enough and all are genetically related.
You might be interested to know that one of Sally Hemmings grandchildren (and supposed grandson of Thomas Jefferson) invented and patented a method of heating a bus!
Interesting. Thanks.
And thus a new FReeperism was born ;’}
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