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[SNIP] USS Fitzgerald Crew Fought Flooding For An Hour Before Distress Call Reached Help
USNI News ^ | June 21, 2017 8:28 PM | By: Sam LaGrone June 21, 2017 8:28 PM

Posted on 06/25/2017 7:21:19 PM PDT by TXnMA

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To: doorgunner69
Let us hope these hardy warriors stand up to combat a bit better.

I doubt it.


41 posted on 06/25/2017 8:33:54 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: politicianslie
"...I feel confident that if my first CO had not been called by me with a close contact EVEN IF WE DIDN'T collide, it would have seemed just as bad for my career..."

Depending on how long ago you served you may have even seen this during your training: "I Relieve You, Sir" about the Evans-Melbourne collision in 1969.

At 28:12 in: "Whenever a situation arises, according to the night orders or the standing orders requires a call to the Captain, the OOD should make the call immediately. If the OOD is in doubt whether the situation requires calling the Captain, that doubt alone is a signal to him to make the call..."

What you said is true. Not calling could do you just as much damage as calling...and if you don't call and something does, you are going to bring your Captain's career down with your own.

42 posted on 06/25/2017 8:34:38 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: TXnMA

reminds me of these BS stories from the Navy..

USS Iowa. turret explosion.
USS Philadelphia, sinking late WW2


43 posted on 06/25/2017 8:34:45 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Karl Spooner

Jesus Christ.


44 posted on 06/25/2017 8:35:11 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: bioqubit

Those systems aboard the destroyer are hardened against a real Nuclear or EMP strike. I doubt an EMP from a Russian or Chinese weapon system could take down comms.


45 posted on 06/25/2017 8:35:13 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: rlmorel

yup...


46 posted on 06/25/2017 8:36:58 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: mfish13

A freight ship on autopilot running a normal trade route course between ports.

I’ll take odds that the DDG had no running lights on and was not visible to radar. The freighter’s RACAS likely never picked it up.

The entire purpose of a DDG is stealth, detection of contacts, and maneuverability.

Captain was in his rack, confirmed, when the collision took place. That means its down to the OOD.


47 posted on 06/25/2017 8:42:00 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: Texas Eagle

I hear you, brother. I dislike him intensely as well. You’re a good man, Texas Eagle.

Your point about a cockamamie story being put out by the navy in matters like this is well received, though.

I don’t trust the Navy in general unless the process is open for all to see. There are more than a few incidents that were miscarriages of justice because the Navy was looking out for their own reputation instead of the truth, and made some captain fall on his sword, or made him walk the plank.

Things like Capt. McKay (USS Indianapolis), Captain John Phillip Stevenson (HMAS Melbourne) and the one mentioned by another Freeper here, the turret explosion on the USS Iowa (Clayton Hartwig blamed) are enough to make one realize their findings have to be scrutinized when it may reflect poorly on them...


48 posted on 06/25/2017 8:43:42 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Because it was not McCain aircraft that fired the rocket.. it was McCain aircraft that was hit by the rocket.. and there is deck video of the whole thing

Just because McCain is a sack of shit does not mean he is guilt of even time.. on this one he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time

49 posted on 06/25/2017 8:49:19 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: RockyTx

USS Philadelphia, traveling through time, and when it came back men were fused with the superstructure.

I clearly remember that from the movie.


50 posted on 06/25/2017 8:49:54 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: tophat9000; Texas Eagle

Texas Eagle and I have had discussions on this. I think the driving force we all have is that McCain is a POS.

We won’t sidetrack this thread by TXnMA...as much as I might want to!


51 posted on 06/25/2017 8:51:59 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: tophat9000

I duly apologize. I have sent a report of self-abuse to the Mod Squad. Errrrr, perhaps I should rephrase that.


52 posted on 06/25/2017 8:52:56 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: rlmorel

Agreed.


53 posted on 06/25/2017 8:53:27 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: bioqubit

looks like the Fitz was dead in the water at the time of the collision.


54 posted on 06/25/2017 9:11:10 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: NRx

Just wait until we all have autonomous vehicles..


55 posted on 06/25/2017 9:14:05 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: CurlyDave

Good point. I was on a merchant ship transiting the Malacca Straits, very dark night, and was on high alert for pirates.
Had a small blip on the radar that showed a small target was going to pass very close to us, no navigation lights.
I waited till he got close and zapped him with a powerful light that must have looked like lightening to him. Singapore Navy gunboat.


56 posted on 06/25/2017 9:23:42 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: TXnMA

I’m embarrassed. Our warship couldn’t stay out of the way of a bumbling freighter, and it lost all communication for an hour!

Navy needs a cleanout.


57 posted on 06/25/2017 9:44:37 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Paladin2
looks like the Fitz was dead in the water at the time of the collision.

I wonder about that and navy regulations for a ship at sea.

Not a swabbie, but did spend a night offshore San Diego on the CG-49 Valley Forge. Doing some EMC frequency collection.

That thing never stopped moving all night. Top heavy as it was, it rolled like hell at slow speeds. Was told they had to maintain "steerage" speed at all times.

Officer whose stateroom that I was assigned to for the night had a great time watching me bounce off the walls. Might have been him explained the rolling and why.

58 posted on 06/25/2017 10:34:31 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Paladin2; doorgunner69; rlmorel
"looks like the Fitz was dead in the water at the time of the collision."

It might be a good idea for you to read this earlier post of mine: Damage analysis: the Fitzgerald was moving at higher speed than the ACX Crystal was..

If, after reading it, you still believe the Fitz was sitting still, please enlighten me.

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I have no dog in this fight; just using my analytical abilities to extract as much intelligence from the limited available information as possible...

59 posted on 06/25/2017 11:19:17 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias. "Islam": Allah's assassins. "Moderate Muslims": Islam's useful idiots.)
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To: TXnMA

I questioned it as my one and only experience on any ship other than my boat, it was in constant motion. Did slow way down after dark, but always moving.


60 posted on 06/25/2017 11:34:51 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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