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1 posted on 11/15/2016 5:13:05 AM PST by woofer2425
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It doesn’t really matter.

In most states the absentee ballots will not be counted, unless the number of vote differential is smaller than the number of absentee ballots.

Trump won the Electoral college by a wide margin.

Clinton probably won the popular vote in the swing states by a decent margin.

Trump will be elected President. Clinton will not.


28 posted on 11/15/2016 5:46:03 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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This morning on Fox & Friends four women were arguing about the anti-Trump protests following the election. On liberal stated emphatically Hillary won the popular vote by 2 million. She was not challenged by the Fox newsreaders.


29 posted on 11/15/2016 5:48:45 AM PST by Soul of the South (Tomorrow is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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Arizona is still counting, so are several other states.


30 posted on 11/15/2016 5:48:59 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (SandyInPeoria just doesn't sound right... yet here I am.)
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Judging by past practice, most states won’t finalize and certify vote counts for weeks, maybe as late as December 13 when states have to officially name Electors.

The Federal Election Commission did not publish the final national archives vote totals for 2012 until several months into 2013, IIRC.


32 posted on 11/15/2016 5:53:49 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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The count continues.

A closely related issue: Are you asking for a raw vote total that includes illegals, or would you like a total with only the votes of citizens?


37 posted on 11/15/2016 5:59:19 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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Official results haven’t been published by the Federal Election Commission yet.


39 posted on 11/15/2016 6:02:52 AM PST by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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Results will be here: http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/electionresults.shtml


41 posted on 11/15/2016 6:03:54 AM PST by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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Who knows.I heard that if you add up all the votes taken in 49 of 50 states, Trump wins. If you add California, Clinton may be ahead.

Trump did not campaign in California. Had the election been on total vote count, he would have campaigned out there.

The liberals are stupid. The election is based on EV therefore you campaign in those battle ground states.


45 posted on 11/15/2016 6:13:30 AM PST by nikos1121 (I am way more deplorable than you.)
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Since there’s no telling how many illegal votes were cast for Hillary, who knows?


52 posted on 11/15/2016 6:31:43 AM PST by simpson96
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The actual numbers will be published on Dec. 19, 2016 when the Electoral Votes....

Electoral College Process

Mid-November through December 19, 2016

After the presidential election, the governor of your state prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your state are certified, the governor sends one of the Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.

Certificates of Ascertainment should be sent to the Archivist no later than the meeting of the electors in December. However, federal law sets no penalty for missing the deadline.

The remaining six Certificates of Ascertainment are held for use at the meeting of the Electors in December.

December 13, 2016

States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the Electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress.

Decisions by states’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.

December 19, 2016

The Electors meet in their state and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six “Certificates of Vote,” which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment.

The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote. These are distributed immediately as follows:

December 28, 2016

Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. States face no legal penalty for failure to comply.

53 posted on 11/15/2016 6:34:26 AM PST by deport
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The question is irrelevant and need not be discussed. The USA is a Republic, not a democracy, and the Electoral College is a testament to that foundational and fundamental truth about our country. Those who harp endlessly on the “popular vote” are doing a disservice to the memory of our Founding Fathers’ wisdom.


54 posted on 11/15/2016 6:42:45 AM PST by Hawthorn
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If you don’t count the dead people, illegal aliens, and various other forms of fraud, Trump won easily.


60 posted on 11/15/2016 7:36:44 AM PST by thorvaldr
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Did Trump really win the popular vote?

A question as worthy of serious consideration by intelligent people as "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

62 posted on 11/15/2016 7:40:59 AM PST by glennaro
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If you take away the millions of fraudulent votes, yes.


63 posted on 11/15/2016 7:59:45 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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Why does it matter? It’s like asking someone now “Who had more hits in this year’s World Series, the Cubs or the Indians?”. Maybe an interesting data point, but completely irrelevant - the Cubs won the World Series.

The Presidential election is won by obtaining 270 (or more) electoral votes, not by obtaining the majority of the popular votes. My other thoughts on this:

1. If the election went to the popular vote winner, BOTH candidates would campaign to achieve that end. You can’t take a statistic out of context, relative to the rules as they existed when the campaigns were run and votes were cast.

2. Similarly, Trump voters in liberal bastions like Massachusetts, New York & California have absolutely no incentive to go to the polls (and likely didn’t, in very large numbers) when they know their State is going to go for Hillary regardless of their vote. This works in reverse too - where Dems would stay home in bright-red states. The votes cast would have looked different if the rules were different.

3. You won’t see the Electoral College system changed any time soon, so it’s also academic to even think about it. To do away with the system requires a constitutional amendment. That requires 2/3 of both the House & Senate, or 2/3 of the States at a Constitutional Convention. (Incidentally, NONE of the current amendments ever came out of a Constitutional Convention).AND it then requires ratification by 3/4 of the States (38 of 50). With the (current) Republican dominance of the States’ Governors & Legislatures, plus majorities in both the US House & Senate, there is literally ZERO chance of this occurring in the foreseeable future.

4. The Dems don’t really want to change either. They have a “Blue Wall” in California, New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, etc., which may not go “Red” again in our lifetimes. Therefore, they just have to flip a few “fly-over” states, and they win. As it was, with over 130 million votes counted (so far), Hillary’s popular vote “win” of 600,000 is about one-half of 1% of the total. Eliminate the (very likely) illegal immigrant votes, dead votes, and vote fraud, and Trump almost certainly won that too. The fact is, Dems have a better shot under the Electoral College system than the popular vote system - in a FAIR election.


65 posted on 11/15/2016 8:12:52 AM PST by Be Free (I believe in gun control. The more people that control their own guns, the safer we'll all be.)
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