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Did Trump really win the popular vote?
11/15/16 | woofer2425

Posted on 11/15/2016 5:13:05 AM PST by woofer2425

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To: SES1066

Worth noting that this is - as designed by the Founders - an election by STATES, to choose the President of The United States.

The Electors of each STATE will vote on who will be the PRESIDENT OF THE STATES.

To be clear, total popularity lost its meaning after high school homecoming king and queen.


61 posted on 11/15/2016 7:36:49 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: woofer2425
Did Trump really win the popular vote?

A question as worthy of serious consideration by intelligent people as "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

62 posted on 11/15/2016 7:40:59 AM PST by glennaro
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To: woofer2425

If you take away the millions of fraudulent votes, yes.


63 posted on 11/15/2016 7:59:45 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: amihow

They are going through early and provisional ballots.

There’s not enough left to influence the outcome as far as the winner of the EV.


64 posted on 11/15/2016 8:03:05 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (SandyInPeoria just doesn't sound right... yet here I am.)
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To: woofer2425

Why does it matter? It’s like asking someone now “Who had more hits in this year’s World Series, the Cubs or the Indians?”. Maybe an interesting data point, but completely irrelevant - the Cubs won the World Series.

The Presidential election is won by obtaining 270 (or more) electoral votes, not by obtaining the majority of the popular votes. My other thoughts on this:

1. If the election went to the popular vote winner, BOTH candidates would campaign to achieve that end. You can’t take a statistic out of context, relative to the rules as they existed when the campaigns were run and votes were cast.

2. Similarly, Trump voters in liberal bastions like Massachusetts, New York & California have absolutely no incentive to go to the polls (and likely didn’t, in very large numbers) when they know their State is going to go for Hillary regardless of their vote. This works in reverse too - where Dems would stay home in bright-red states. The votes cast would have looked different if the rules were different.

3. You won’t see the Electoral College system changed any time soon, so it’s also academic to even think about it. To do away with the system requires a constitutional amendment. That requires 2/3 of both the House & Senate, or 2/3 of the States at a Constitutional Convention. (Incidentally, NONE of the current amendments ever came out of a Constitutional Convention).AND it then requires ratification by 3/4 of the States (38 of 50). With the (current) Republican dominance of the States’ Governors & Legislatures, plus majorities in both the US House & Senate, there is literally ZERO chance of this occurring in the foreseeable future.

4. The Dems don’t really want to change either. They have a “Blue Wall” in California, New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, etc., which may not go “Red” again in our lifetimes. Therefore, they just have to flip a few “fly-over” states, and they win. As it was, with over 130 million votes counted (so far), Hillary’s popular vote “win” of 600,000 is about one-half of 1% of the total. Eliminate the (very likely) illegal immigrant votes, dead votes, and vote fraud, and Trump almost certainly won that too. The fact is, Dems have a better shot under the Electoral College system than the popular vote system - in a FAIR election.


65 posted on 11/15/2016 8:12:52 AM PST by Be Free (I believe in gun control. The more people that control their own guns, the safer we'll all be.)
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Electoral College Process

This description illustrates, almost perfectly, why and for what reasons, the 2000 election had to end up and end up QUICKLY in the US Supreme Court. As a resident of Florida, I watched our Florida Supreme Court, all 7 being Democrats, keep extending the process as the Gore Campaign tried DESPERATELY to find a way to win. They did not want a recount, they wanted to cherry pick and select individual precincts (at one argument) to count, strangely these were always Democrat-strong areas.

At the time of the final US Supreme Court decision on 12 December, the Florida Supreme Court had under consideration a motion for EVERY Ballot to be physically sent to Tallahassee. This was after earlier affirmed orders that was to bring disputed ballots, sample voting booths, and voting machines from Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties to a lower court in Tallahassee by Friday, 1 December 2000. Imagine what an entire recount and the time it would require if that motion had passed!

FYI and to their credit, 3 of the 7 Florida Supreme Court Justices were quite resistant to being railroaded and pressured by their fellow Democrats.

66 posted on 11/15/2016 8:59:28 AM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: Hodar

We’ll never know. Most states don’t count the absentee ballots unless they would make a difference in the voting, e.g., Candidate A won by 100,000 votes, there are 80,000 absentee ballots = don’t count them.


67 posted on 11/15/2016 9:55:16 AM PST by Hootowl
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To: SandyInSeattle

Thanks.


68 posted on 11/15/2016 11:42:00 AM PST by amihow
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To: poinq
I was referring specifically to your words, "So this is a republican nation. The dems just haven’t figured it out yet."
69 posted on 11/15/2016 4:34:26 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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