[C19fan]

Instead of forming his own 12-step group with their own version of the 12-steps the thug wants AA to change.

[Raycpa]

That’s like removing apples from apple pie.

[ameribbean expat]

So just do the 6 that make no reference to God. He could call it the 6-pack. Oh, wait...

[GSWarrior]

This bozo is not even worth doing a 4th step on....

[PGR88]

Instead of forming his own 12-step group with their own version of the 12-steps the thug wants AA to change.

Same as gay marriage. You can not create anything - a movement, an institution, a cultural practice, etc... without an ethos. And once you have that ethos, it won't stand the test of time unless it conforms to Natural Law. Without it, you will fail every time.

So they simply try to take-over and pervert those that exist. Exactly like parasites moving into a host. And like a parasite, they will eventually kill the host.

[DannyTN]

That’s what I was thinking. They could call it AAA - AA for Atheists.

They could offer free towing with a membership.

[atc23]

I got no use for a man that can’t handle a drink now and then

[jmacusa]

Better not try this shit at my meeting.

[DannyTN]

Here's the orignal 12 steps...

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Here's the new scripts....

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Rejected belief that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Realized that we are screwed.

[kanawa]

You still have the list?

[the_daug]

HOW IT WORKS Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those too who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest.

This guy is honest?

[Secret Agent Man]

Private group that is voluntary to be a part of.

Start your own group.

[Lazamataz]

I’m gonna owe an amend for this, but I’d buy this man a bottle of the finest scotch.

The bastard forgot the entire thing about “powerless over other people, places, and things.”

[Springman]

Bump for later.

[Darnright]

The program isn't religious, it is spiritual. Thus the call to turn one's life over to the care of God as we understood him. But this selfish arse wants to undercut the entire program because he's the center of the universe.

[frithguild]

AA does not exist as a legal entity. It cannot be sued.

[Repealthe17thAmendment]

There is a lot of medical and scientific research being done to address the physical craving of alcohol and other drugs. And if that works for people-- great.

Some people, though, have the physical craving, and a mental obsession about drinking. That obsession usually means that the alcoholic is under the impression that a drink will make them feel better. And, sometimes the case. But more often than not, the feeling of drunkenness masks the reason the alcoholic feels bad. Then, ironically, the state of drunkenness will often lead the alcoholic to do things or say things which will later make them feel even worse once they sober up.

In this regard, the morality and character of an alcoholic may deteriorate, until things that were once part of their core values have been eroded, resulting in further feelings of shame and remorse, which are removed temporarily by, you guessed it, more alcohol. That is the vicious cycle that some alcoholics find themselves in.

In those cases, the alcoholic's value system must be rebuilt, and removing the physical craving just does a small part of the recovery process.

The steps of AA are specifically designed to bring about a spiritual awakening that rebuilds the value system; restoring honesty, patience, tolerance, kindness, humility and love.

Without a higher power, or spiritual belief, those core values will not be restored. As a result, working a program where spirituality has been removed will not likely change the moral character of the person who adopts it.

And I think that is really what is behind the effort of the atheist in Canada; he simply wants to hang on to his old ideas.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

For a group that does not believe in God, he sure causes them to foam at the mouth!
Wonder if Kronos or Poseidon makes them do the same!

[stylin19a]

On November 18, all parties will reportedly sit down for mediation in an attempt to avoid going to court. If mediation fails, contested hearings will likely follow, with the future status of AA hanging in the balance.

Huh ? How is this even possible ? What is the "status" of AA in Canada ?

[Washi]

As an atheist/agnostic, I’d like to welcome this attention whore to start his own group and stop trying to force his religious beliefs on others.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

F these people. Bunch of snotty, superioristic b@st@rds!