Trump Says Apple Should Hack San Bernardino Attacker Phone

ABC News ^ | 2/17/2016 | Ryan Struyk

[SWAMP-C1PHER]

After reading that, i think i earned a PhD in cyber security.

[AFreeBird]

It is pretty impressive, isn’t it, and I applaud the engineers that came up with it. More and more personal data is becoming digitized and going mobile. I want that kind of protection for it.

[kabar]

It is not easy. It is a matter of time and resources. And the information is more than likely time sensitive.

[pgyanke]

It is a matter of time and resources.

True... but you're all for the government ordering Apple to waste their time and resources, right?

[kabar]

It is a good thing generally. But we have one phone that belonged to terrorists who killed 14 Americans and wounded more than 30 others. Apple should be willing to help the FBI in accessing it. This is not a wide collection sweep. It is an extremely narrow search in much the same way we have court authorized wiretaps.

[kabar]

The government should compensate Apple for any costs incurred. I am sure there would be no problem doing that. A government contract would suffice.

[maxwellsmart_agent]

Shows what Apple is and where their affinities lie!

[gg188]

Playing devil's advocate, friend, if we don't have a COUNTRY then everything else about the USA is moot. If Trojan horse muslims take over our neighborhoods and towns, if our jobs are all given to foreigners, if the wages of available jobs fall to Third World levels, if foreign nationals (as provided in TPP for example) can enter and exit and work in our country with impunity...

I know one thing about Apple: if they could, they'd fire EVERY AMERICAN they employ and replace them with Indians or other H1-B visa holders. Every one of them. And at the earliest opportunity Apple will move every job they have to India.

[pgyanke]

The government should compensate Apple for any costs incurred. I am sure there would be no problem doing that. A government contract would suffice.

And if Apple refuses the contract? Jail? Is a contract entered into by force enforceable?

[pgyanke]

Shows what Apple is and where their affinities lie!

Yes, it does... with their customers (and I don't mean the terrorists). Keep reading the thread so I don't have to repeat myself.

[GrootheWanderer]

Isn’t it fascinating how so many conservatives are in favor of an Obama nominee ordering a private company to divert its manpower and money into aiding a government investigation and into creating a tool that the government can use to snoop on its citizens? And doing it without even holding a hearing on the matter?

[pgyanke]

I know one thing about Apple: if they could, they'd fire EVERY AMERICAN they employ and replace them with Indians or other H1-B visa holders. Every one of them. And at the earliest opportunity Apple will move every job they have to India.

Really? Thanks for warning all of us, Mr Kreskin.

[pgyanke]

Isn’t it fascinating how so many conservatives are in favor of an Obama nominee ordering a private company to divert its manpower and money into aiding a government investigation and into creating a tool that the government can use to snoop on its citizens? And doing it without even holding a hearing on the matter?

Fascinating isn't the word that comes to mind. More like scary. It's instructive, though, in how republics fall. God bless.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

We are talking about one specific phone that has information on it that could help our national security.

But we're also talking about a custom OS for that phone which can be used on any other compatible iPhone, destroying the notion of device security for every iPhone. It's not credible that the US government will stop at one specific phone (and in fact, Apple states that it has been advised that the US government intends to invoke the All Writs Act to require Apple to open other devices). Demands that Apple crack phones will become commonplace, not only by the federal government, but by state governments in all sorts of cases. And we can expect foreign governments to demand exactly the same. That inevitably will lead to all iPhones being shipped with operating systems which can be cracked as needed by governmental authorities - and since there are no security holes which cannot be exploited by hackers, they will be.

Again, the US government can and must find ways to defend it's citizens without imposing on their rights.

[AFreeBird]

I get that. But I just don’t think it’s as easy as some people want it to be. It’s not supposed to be easy. And I think trying to push an unauthorized update, even by Apple, runs the risk of losing the data.

So the FBI is between a rock and a hard place.

Remember the VChip? Billy’s admin wanted to force all computers to have one. And only the government would have the keys, kept in a special lockbox, like our SSN money.

Might as well give them keys to our house, car, safety deposit box, and our daughters chastity belt, with the solemn vow (wink, wink), that they would never, ever be used unless under issue of a valid warrant.

Now imagine if you will, Obama with all those keys.

I remember the discussions here about it. At the time, Folks here were adamant in their disapproval.

[kabar]

The FBI will take Apple to court and we will see what happens. Again, it is disturbing that Apple is refusing to cooperate in a matter involving national security. This isn't about casting a wide net for metadata, it is one phone that may contain critical intelligence on terrorist attacks on the US where 14 Americans were slaughtered on our soil. The information may give insight into international ties and the terrorist network.

I don't often agree with Ralph Nader, but he was correct in saying:

So it is reasonable for the American people to expect some reciprocity from these immense corporate entities that were born in the U.S. and rose to their economic prowess on the backs of American workers. The bosses of these companies believe they can have it both ways – getting all the benefits of their native country while shipping whole industries and jobs to communist and fascist regimes abroad that keep their workers in serf-like conditions.

[kabar]

If Apple were reasonable, they would find a compromise solution that would protect their product while cooperating with the federal government on a matter of national security. The fact that this dispute is public gives me the impression that Apple is using it to further their business interests, which override our national security.

It is a sad state of affairs when we have in our possession a communication device used by terrorist killers and can't access the information on it.

[AFreeBird]

You “know” this about Apple? All those designers and engineers that made them what they are? And then the piece de resistance- we’ll move to India!

I can hear the boardroom now: Sure, let’s put a gun in our mouth and pull the trigger.

[kabar]

It is one thing to disagree about something in theory, it is another to be faced with the reality that we cannot access critical intelligence information on a terrorist’s phone because a corporation refuses to cooperate with the government. Where do you draw the line and who draws it?

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

No surprise there. This was my first concern about a Trump Pesidency. Somewhere on the net is a snippet of an interview with Major Garret. Trump is a security guy even if ( as much as he hates the idea) it meant encroachment on the Bill of Rights