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Did Egypt's Old Kingdom Die -- or Simply Fade Away?
National Geographic ^ | December 24, 2015 | Andrew Lawler

Posted on 12/28/2015 4:46:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: SunkenCiv
There was a general collapse of civilization through out the Middle East at this time, some speak of a 300 year hiatus. Remember Sargons Empire went South about this time.

Remember that when you have mass movements of people you have a reason find it and you have the solution for the collapse.

21 posted on 12/28/2015 7:18:50 AM PST by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: SunkenCiv

In the article: long after Pepi II, traditionally considered the last Old Kingdom pharaoh.

They skipped https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merenre_Nemtyemsaf_II and possibly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netjerkare_Siptah that are regarded as the last (or the last two) of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom_of_Egypt

Perhaps they have another tradition?


22 posted on 12/28/2015 7:56:15 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
The pharaonic list based on the surviving copies of Manetho are a little sketchy -- Steven Quirke built a list of pharaohs, still using the "kingdom" and "dynasty" divisions, but only including those kings with probable matches in surviving monuments. Those two names are from the Seti temple at Abydos, upon which the Manetho list may have been based, iow, it's a New Kingdom-era compilation, and not left by those alleged pharaohs themselves.

23 posted on 12/28/2015 8:07:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Wow, he died young.

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=victor+buono&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=w1


24 posted on 12/28/2015 8:09:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Old kingdoms never die; they just fade away . . . . . . . . .


25 posted on 12/28/2015 8:50:46 AM PST by Twinkie (Kneel at the cross, Jesus (Yeshua) will meet you there.)
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To: PIF

Very insightful. Thank you.


26 posted on 12/28/2015 9:08:28 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: SunkenCiv

This one? http://www.amazon.com/Who-Were-Pharaohs-History-Cartouches/dp/0486265862


27 posted on 12/28/2015 11:05:15 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

That’s the one. Ow, looks like it’s out of print and the price has spiked. Probably available used, reasonably priced, and of course public libraries.


28 posted on 12/28/2015 2:06:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Twinkie

;’)


29 posted on 12/28/2015 2:07:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Don Corleone

No, that would be a Nubian Pharaoh.


30 posted on 12/28/2015 6:56:13 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv; BenLurkin; blam; All

Decided to look up timelines of major meteor strikes. Here are a few links.

http://worldtimeline.info/impact/ [a lot of older information, stops about year 1000]
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9974-timeline-comet-and-asteroid-impacts/ [not so much earl information, but interesting odds of future hits]
http://whyfiles.org/106asteroid/2.html [this is a more narrative look at the meteor hit phenomenon]
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/etc/timeline/asteroid-impact.html [Discussed here are more recent hits, and Firestone’s work in N America]


31 posted on 12/28/2015 9:39:47 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv; BenLurkin; blam; All

Decided to look up timelines of major meteor strikes. Here are a few links.

http://worldtimeline.info/impact/ [a lot of older information, stops about year 1000]
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9974-timeline-comet-and-asteroid-impacts/ [not so much earl information, but interesting odds of future hits]
http://whyfiles.org/106asteroid/2.html [this is a more narrative look at the meteor hit phenomenon]
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/etc/timeline/asteroid-impact.html [Discussed here are more recent hits, and Firestone’s work in N America]
http://www.timelines.ws/subjects/Comets.HTML [this site has a lot of more recent information]
http://geology.com/meteor-impact-craters.shtml [threw in the word Craters and found this interactive map with 50 craters]


32 posted on 12/28/2015 9:48:42 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Thanks glee’. King Tut (music starts to play) had a necklace made out of meteorite or m-related debris.

https://www.google.com/search?q=king+tut+necklace+site%3Afreerepublic.com%2Ffocus


33 posted on 12/29/2015 1:13:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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King Hammurabi is the best known of the early monarchs of ancient times... belonged to the First BabyIonian Dynasty which came to an end, under circumstances shrouded in mystery, some three or four generations after Hammurabi. For the next several centuries, the land was in the domain of a people known as the Kassites. They left few examples of art and hardly any literary works -- theirs was an age comparable to and contemporaneous with that of the Hyksos in Egypt, and various surmises were made as to the identity of the two peoples. A cartouche of the Hyksos king Khyan was even found in Babylonia and another in Anatolia, a possible indication of the extent of the power and influence wielded by the Hyksos. Until a few decades ago, the reign of Hammurabi was dated to around the year 2100 before the present era... At Platanos on Crete, a seal of the Hammurabi type was discovered in a tomb together with Middle Minoan pottery of a kind associated at other sites with objects of the Twelfth Egyptian Dynasty, more exactly, of its earlier part. This is regarded as proof that these two dynasties were contemporaneous... however... At Mari on the central Euphrates, among other rich material, a cuneiform tablet was found which established that Hammurabi of Babylonia and King Shamshi-Adad I of Assyria were contemporaries. An oath was sworn by the life of these two kings in the tenth year of Hammurabi, The finds at Mari "proved conclusively that Hammurabi came to the throne in Babylonia after the accession of Shamshi-Adad I in Assyria"... The Khorsabad list ends in the tenth year of Assur-Nerari V, which is computed to have been -745... the first year of Shamshi-Adad is calculated to have been -1726 and his last year -1694... it reduced the time of Hammurabi from the twenty-first century to the beginning of the seventeenth century... "a puzzling chronological discrepancy", which could only be resolved by making Hammurabi later than Amenemhet I of the Twelfth Dynasty... If Hammurabi reigned at the time allotted to him by the finds at Mari and Khorsabad -- but according to the finds at Platanos was a contemporary of the Egyptian kings of the early Twelfth Dynasty -- then that dynasty must have started at a time when, according to the accepted chronology, it had already come to its end. In conventionally-written history, by -1680 not only the Twelfth Dynasty, but also the Thirteenth, or the last of the Middle Kingdom, had expired.

[Immanuel Velikovsky, Hammurabi and the Revised Chronology]

34 posted on 08/28/2018 10:44:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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