Posted on 10/25/2015 2:24:08 PM PDT by sushiman
thanks
“Japs never liked outsiders. Truth comes out.”
Some JapANESE don’t like SOME outsiders .
I’ve been to Singapore and read a fair bit of its history and current demographics. The Chinese are the dominant group both in terms of numbers and control of important political and economic institutions. Singapore was part of Malaysia at the time of its independence from Britain, but the muslim-Malay majority quickly started to persecute Chinese citizens. Singapore broke away in part to deal with this oppression. Even today, the Chinese minority in Malaysia (who are the most prosperous economically) are faced with discrimination born of jealousy, which includes limits on their political power. But at least Malaysia hasn’t forced the Chinese population to completely assimilate by taking on Malay names.
[I just can’t imagine Japan taking a bunch of Syrians or Libyans.]
Some years ago Japan let many Iranians, Syrians, etc. into Japan on work visas. Some worked well and were not a problem but so many more showed their incivility through theft and debauchery. That was enough for Japan to learn what kind of 4th and 5th worlders these people are.
Neither do Brits, for that matter. ;-)
In 100 years Italy and Germany will be Muslim, now being over run by African and Middle Eastern Islamic Hoards and Japan will be over run by Indonesia or The Philippines. For the benefit of the remaining aging Japanese, they better hope for Catholic Philippines. The Indonesians are Obama Muslims.
If taxes where lower and society was more welcoming to larger families, we would have more large families of 4 , 5 6, or more children. As it is, present societal concerns and government policies make it difficult to maintain a middle-class lifestyle on one income.
Today everyone lives for themselves and the present, not the future or others. Having children is a bet for the future.
How sensible.
” Some years ago Japan let many Iranians, Syrians, etc. into Japan on work visas “
Yes , when I moved to Japan in 1985 , and studied Japanese at a language school in Shinjuku , half the classes were filled with Iranians , Syrians , etc...
I wonder if clone-farms would be easier than androids.
It would be easier still to convince people to have more children, the old-fashioned way. (Subsidies, propaganda campaigns, etc.) If your objective is population control, then clones aren’t a solution. If you’re interested in spare body parts, clone farms might be a solution — but, they are best left in horror and sci-fi movies.
Japan isn’t in a ‘demographic death spiral’. It is simply returning to long-term sustainable population levels. (See my post #59).
Yea, NO.
You are wrong.
They have an upside down birth rate and a population the will be unable to sustain its’ present level of output regardless of automation.
Four grandparents with for every grand child is not sustainable in a welfare state. No matter how many robots you have.
They will stop being 100% Japanese when they are invaded and subjugated by a more prolific neighbor.
That is the nature of man and the way of the World.
It seems that apparently Americans and Europeans aren’t allowed now to be proud of nor protect our cultural or ethnical identity.
Why is this I wonder? We know the answer though don’t we.
Let me guess . . . the Israelis???
Japan doesn’t need low-wage immigrants to keep up its rate of production. All it needs to do is continue to locate branch plants, wherever those low-wage workers already live. Japan will have no problems keeping productivity high.
Japan has been a “head-office economy” for decades now. That means a high-paid, highly skilled, and highly-educated workforce. A high-paid workforce can support several times more retirees than a low-wage workforce.
Low-wage immigrants need far more heavily-subsidized social services than a highly-paid, head-office workforce requires. Factor in the myriad social problems that come with a large, unassimilated population of immigrants; and Japan it’s obvious that Japan has nothing to gain from an open-borders policy.
When Japan’s population stabilizes, it will still have at least as many people it did during the height of their Empire. As a high-tech, high-wage economy, Japan can afford (and operate) a high-tech military. That’s a tremendous force multiplier. Just ask Israel.
Japan desperately needs young workers to pay for their aging population. That is one of the prime causes of its’ now two decade stagnation. They are an aging dying society. They have drifted along with little more than 1% GDP growth since the 90’s dipping in and out of recession. They just fell back into recession last quarter! They are hardly the economy or society to emulate.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-japan-economy-edit-20141120-story.html
It is not only through immigration that a society grows. That is the least desirable form of growths it carries so many cultural pitfalls and potential problems.
Organic population growth is not only better it is critical for the continuation of a society with a welfare system. Without a birth rate exceeding replacement and not by a little, it is all but impossible to maintain a welfare system. It puts too much strain on the economy.
Yes, look at Japan!
http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/03/japans-demography
Israeli Jews are being out breed by their own Arab Muslim citizens and risk a significant problem in the next century due to the low Jewish birth rate in Israel.
The Jewish majority is losing seats in the Knessit to Muslim Arabs as we speak and the demographics show it not getting better any time soon. There are a little over 8,000,000 citizens in Israel. around 75% are Jewish and around 22% are Arab. The Arabs have an increasing population with a birth rate of almost 2.5% and the Jews have a declining birthrate of 1.7%. If not for the 5% birth rate among the Orthodox Heredi Jews It would be even worse.
For every 2 Jews born there are three new Arab Muslims. For every two Jewish deaths there are only 1.7 new Jews born.
Those figures don’t include the 8,000,000 plus Arab Muslims in Gaza and the West Bank.
It doesn’t take too many decades of that demography to change a nation. Within a few decades the young Arab Muslim citizens of Israel will simply open the gates in the fence and allow their millions of Palestinian cousins walk in and eject the remaining Jews from the land.
Don’t matter how many computer chips or high tech instruments and engineers you have, a swarm of locusts will decimate a crop in minutes. A swarm of Muslims can do the same to Jews as well. Even in the only Jewish state.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.647598
I agree with most of what you said in your last post. It seems that first-world nations, and especially the Caucasians therein, have taken a mutual cultural/racial-suicide pact.
However, the notion that low-wage immigrants would help pay for Japan’s aging population is wrong — for the reasons I stated earlier.
We’re constantly being told that the world is over-populated — that ZPG (Zero Population Growth) is essential. Yet, we’re also told (often by the very same people), that western nations need to keep our population growing — and since we’re no longer doing that by reproducing, we need to import immigrants. Immigrants from nations that have never bought into ZPG. This is insanely contradictory. Western nations are diluting their culture (probably irreversibly); and third-world nations aren’t being provided with an incentive to reduce their population growth — because they can just export their surplus population.
If there are indeed too many people on the planet, then fewer people is a goal, not a problem. Japan is approaching that goal logically — they’re reducing their population, and not diluting their culture. With a heavy dose of social engineering, Japan will be able to increase its birth rate, whenever it wants to.
Bump
Imagine looking after your own citizens? What a concept!
It’s a concept that seems to be gathering steam worldwide — thanks, in large measure, to Trump. I’m a bit less pessimistic about where our civilization is headed now, than when I made my earlier posts on this thread.
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