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The arguments that convinced a libertarian to support aggressive action on climate
vox ^ | 5-12-2015 | David Roberts

Posted on 05/13/2015 6:05:00 PM PDT by Citizen Zed

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To: Citizen Zed

And this just coincidentally comes out on the same day as the article about a former “republican” [actually a democrat-turned-republican] doing the same “flip flop” on CO2 and the carbon tax.

Because we’re all supposed to succumb to peer pressure/herd instinct/group think or whatever and get on the carbon tax bandwagon based on shared party identity.

Not happening.


41 posted on 05/13/2015 9:16:32 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Citizen Zed; Cincinatus' Wife

Here’s the other article that just coincidentally came out today about the Republicrat carbontaxer , posted by freeper Cincinatus’ Wife:

This Man Is America’s Hope For Near-Term Climate Action

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3289420/posts


42 posted on 05/13/2015 9:22:58 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Citizen Zed

Vox.com is nothing more than salon.com wearing a bow-tie.


43 posted on 05/13/2015 10:28:52 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Citizen Zed
The arguments that convinced a libertarian to support aggressive action on climate...
A growing number of conservative leaders and intellectuals have come to terms with climate science and begun casting about for solutions... they've begun to coalesce behind a carbon tax, which they consider the most market-friendly of the available alternatives...

Fortunately, I (and I believe millions of others) have written off Rove, RINOS and fake conservatives by any name, and they haven't realized that we know that changing the name of the issue to simply "climate science" DOES NOT make it benign. "Climate Science is a embarrassing oxymoron, since it violates the very foundation of the definition of science.

"...the most market-friendly of alternatives?" When does a scam selling a made-up non-existing product become "market-friendly?" What market is that?

Who profits? Ignorant, IQ-challenged scammers like Al Gore?

The corruption explosion in and around D.C. is driven by corrupt elected criminals and their RICO partners.

If you support this fraud explain what is wrong with the following understanding of "carbon credits." 1. Carbon credits are created out of thin air.
2.Carbon Credits are enabled by RICO elected criminals, under the pretext that either the world will be saved from imagined future catastrophes unsubstantiated by any real science, or to control pollution created by producing needed future additional energy.
3. Carbon credits would be a criminal enterprise without enabling laws passed by the elected RICO criminals.
4. Who profits by the manipulation of these Carbon Credits, directly and indirectly besides IQ deficient criminals like Al Gore?
Which "market" is the scam planning to be "market friendly" with?

Why aren't the elected criminals who promote and vote for the scam identified? Why aren't the further enabling bills similarly credited to names and positions?"

Finally who profited from the hundreds of million$ generated by the previous "Carbon Credit" industry before it collapsed? Has that ever been determined and explained?

The elected criminals would love to get unlimited taxes for their RICO enterprise, but they know that can never happen.
But they think that calling it by a different name will make the ultimate creators of wealth (working Americans) not notice that these "credits" are ultimately additional taxes by a different name, and that the working taxpayers are ultimately paying for the entire bill.

And creating more Al Gores.

44 posted on 05/13/2015 11:42:13 PM PDT by publius911 (If you like Obamacare, You'll LOVE ObamaWeb.)
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In March, he [Jerry taylor] released a new policy brief, "The Conservative Case for a Carbon Tax," which argues for a steadily rising "revenue-neutral" fee on fossil fuel producers. Aside from a small portion set aside to cushion low-income households, all the revenue would be devoted to reducing other taxes.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

I have yet to meet an adult stupid enough to believe that there has ever been any kind of tax on a business or industry, that is not passed on (with the additional cost of dozens of bureaucratic middlemen) to the ultimate payer, the consumer, the non-government working taxpayer.

By the time the bill gets to us it would have an absurd name, like SAVE THE CHILDREN!

45 posted on 05/13/2015 11:53:21 PM PDT by publius911 (If you like Obamacare, You'll LOVE ObamaWeb.)
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B T T T ! ! ! ©

46 posted on 05/13/2015 11:59:17 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FR. Donate Monthly or Join Club 300! God bless you all.)
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To: Citizen Zed

A true conservative with any historical reference would know that any new revenue source will be exploited and only constitutional amendments would restrain the government.


47 posted on 05/14/2015 2:59:19 AM PDT by dila813
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