Sioux Falls couple says their children are victims of "medical kidnapping"

It is outrageous that you stand in judgement of a parent doing what he thinks is best for his child.

His child was not ripped from his parents by the state monsters - so in that alone he is justified.

Your attitude, that you know better, is EXACTLY the attitude that has caused this abhorrent situation.

YOU DO NOT KNOW BETTER THAN MOST PARENTS MOST OF THE TIME - NOR...DOES...THE...STATE!

If you, and the state, approached situations with the humility to recognize that you can be very wrong, and the attitude that MOST parents are trying to do the very best for their children, you more often will be far closer to the truth than otherwise.

Instead of assuming the parents are loving, and concerned about the well-being of their child, you and the state assume the parents, at best, are stupid and self-centered and the children MUST have your advocacy or suffer. The arrogance is staggering, the assumption more often wrong than right, and innocent children, loving parents and nurturing families are needlessly traumatized because of it.

“Very low iron can cause the tongue to crack and bleed painfully.

If they are formula feeding, the baby may have low iron with no abuse at all.”

And THAT should be the default assumption, NOT that there is abuse.

This is the problem with the state and all the other busybodies. If the first instinct of the state was “this family might need some help in learning what is wrong with their child” instead of “this family is probably abusing their children and we need to take them away”, then more children would be getting necessary or helpful medical attention, fewer children, parents and families would be horrendously traumatized, and more attention could be paid to those families that are truly, dangerously disfunctional.

you are mixing up my response . some one else posted about not taking care of a medical problem with a child because they did not want child and family looking into there home. scared that what happened in the article would happen to them. there is not enough info for me to make heads or tails on what is happening.in the article that was presented. My guess is that it is a case of a cps worker over reacting but in cases that make the news it is hard to know because legally child and family services can not talk about the case.

Thanks, I suspect that I’m getting through to the people that need to keep the guard up (i.e., parents of young kids). Others are simply living in a different time and have NO CLUE what’s out there.

In thinking about it, I could have just as easily been on a hiking trip, hours away from help, when that happened. Or go back 100 years. Not really much different than holding off for a few hours to prevent a CPS case.

When you take away as many kids as they do, you’re bound to get some right.

I’M not the one wanting to snach the kids away - the intelligent position when one hasn’t seen the evidence - so you can stuff your condescending tone.

The assumption should be that the cut on the tongue is from a lack of iron - from a previous post. Failure to thrive can be MANY things....MANY OF THEM NOT RELATED TO NEGLECT OR ABUSE!!!!! and here the all knowing state snatches the kids and all knowing you cheers them on.

Yes, you are letting your emotion dictate, otherwise you would not keep throwing those other UN-FREAKING-RELEVANT cases out there as an argument!

I think you need to be imprisoned as a psychotic killer/torturer/rapist! No, I have no evidence, but you should be cool with that - punish first, investigate later being your motto....because, you know, there are the Son of Sam, Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer cases.

Not mixed up at all. You posted:
“I am sorry but ignoring a problem because you are afraid that you will lose your kids to cps is abuse and very self centered. My guess is that you would be screaming bloody murder if you had dislocated your shoulder at work and the place you worked at refused to send you to the Dr because they were afraid of a workmen’s comp claim and a visit by osha.”

I stand by my condemnation of your judgement of a person’s actions to protect their child(ren).

BobL’s child was not taken - so he protected his child. Your busybody condemnation of his actions as abuse - SHAME ON YOU! It is that very arrogant, I-know-better-than-you attitude that snatches screaming kids from loving parents on the thinest tissue of evidence and prompts other parents to do as the aforesaid BobL did.

Now you can pat yourself on the back for calling him an abuser and self centered; then go out looking for that kid with the skinned knees and a black eye so you can snatch him from his parents!

BTW - your analogy is very silly. The employer in your analogy is not trying to keep the employee from being abducted.

IF he were working in the middle east and dislocated his shoulder, and his employer didn’t take him to the hospital because Americans had been abducted from that hospital recently...THAT is an accurate analogy...I believe he, you, I, and everyone else would be grateful. His son is grateful for his dad’s actions, and you are shown to be the hypocrite.

have you ever been a kid that had a medical problem ignored. kids depend on there parents to do what is best for them. there are times when child and family services are necessary. sadly in life abuse happens and not all people should be parents. this is why there is a role for child and family services. sadly government agencies are only as good as there least competent person working in agency so sometimes people are looked at and have there kids taken from them that shouldn't. But if some one uses the excuse that they really think a kid should see a doctor but I might get in trouble if I take them in to see the Dr as a reason not to take them to the Doctor it is not good parenting. I did not want this to be a prolonged attack on the person I originally posted my objection to what he did in parenting. no one is perfect we all make mistakes

What I am saying is that YOU, and your attitude (it is better for a parent to risk their child being taken from them then to delay non-life threatening medical treatment) that is the problem here. You set yourself up as knowing what was best in that situation AND YOU DON’T!

If a parent has reasonable suspicion that a stranger might abduct their child, it is the parent’s PRIMARY duty to prevent that from happening - and that is a higher duty than getting medical help for a non-lethal issue. This parent had very good reason to fear such an abduction, and you would be well advised to pull your arrogant nose out of that parent’s business!

It is not “sometimes” that cps goes overboard, it is OFTEN. They begin with the assumption that the parent is bad...and it usually deteriorates from there.

The cps is making the situation worse by making decent parents fear their destructive power. They spend time dragging kids from loving families that could be spent protecting children at risk.

I don’t need your shallow lecture about abuse. It is the polemic of the dictator, the motto of the overbearing state...the cant of tyranny. Frankly, I think cps does far more harm than good, and more children would be safer, happier and more secure if cps were abolished. But then there would be those like you, all lathered up in a fret that there are children that don’t have YOU to look out for them, because YOU know better than any parent...the lifeblood of the totalitarian state.

If you and the cps were really concerned about protecting children, you and they would focus on the truly endangered. That you and they are eager to meddle in just about every situation shows that the real intent is to exercise power - because all parents are a danger to their children and the children need the state to protect them...all children must look to the state as their parents. It is a sick and evil attitude that you should seriously re-examine.

More needs to be said:
Yes, my parents followed THEIR best judgement about when to take me and my 4 siblings for medical treatment - and I assure you, they did not toe YOUR standards. I’m fine, they loved me far more than you ever did.

“Not all people should be parents” - do you think you should be the one to decide? Should the state?

You misstate BobL’s concern - he was concerned that his son would be TAKEN by the busybody meddlers like yourself. His concern was NOT that he might “get in trouble”. You lie when you characterize his motivation as such. BobL was right to fear cps, he was also right to believe that he is a better father to his child than you or cps!

No, you didn’t want a prolonged attack, your kind never do, because - like it did in this case - your attack has been turned back on you. You wanted a short snipe attack, one that would have Bob begging your forgiveness and acknowledging the wisdom of your statist viewpoint. We are sick and tired of being pushed around by you busybodies and wannabe tyrants.

Not really...it was actually centered on the TRAUMA that my kid would have gone through if he spent weeks away from his parents. As an adult basically in control of my life, it would not be such a big deal for me (other than being worried sick for my kid), but with a kid, it is literally THE END OF THE WORLD.

Exactly. Well said.

I will say this yes I am my brothers keeper and you should also be.
no I should not be the one to make that decision of who should be a parent. fortunately that one is in gods hand. but everyone should watch out for everyone else in life.
I thank god I don’t have a job like those that work in cps. I am sure that It would not be a good match and definitely would jade me far to much.

“We are sick and tired of being pushed around by you busybodies and wannabe tyrants.” ( no you just don’t want anyone to question what you do and cause you to think about what you have done)

as far as being wanabe tyrant ( I have no ability to enforce anything I say nor would I ever want it.

Don’t preach to me. God doesn’t ask us to be our brother’s keeper. And no, I should not be - not in the way you mean it in this thread.

You apparently think being your brother’s keeper means supporting government control of families.

You invoke God, but incorrectly. God never asks you to accuse someone you know nothing about of child abuse. He doesn’t ask us to create an overpowering government to take children from their parents on sketchy evidence. He doesn’t ask us to stick our noses into our neighbor’s business because we are smarter than they are.

No, you’re not the tyrant, but your attitude promotes tyranny - you are the lifeblood.

Without lemmings like you, applauding an ever-growing government, taking children from their parents with no good reason - tyranny would shrivel and die.

“no you just don’t want anyone to question what you do and cause you to think about what you have done” LOL - this is possibly the most foolish statement you have made, among many.

Suppose YOU tell me what I’ve done that I don’t want to think about? I actually thank you for that statement, you prove what I’ve been saying - you assume my guilt without evidence, and try to force me to defend myself from your baseless accusations, just like cps. You certainly have the soul of a tyrant, maybe it’s just the intelligence you lack.

I think its better to take your child to your family doctor than to ER unless its a matter of life or limp...the family doctor knows your family and isn't so quick to jump to conclusions...My daughter was about 3 and climbed the kitchen cupboard to get some cookies...she got up on her knees and slipped down and ended up straddling the open cupboard...I called my doctor and he said to meet him in the ER. She wasn't crying anymore until she ask to go to the bathroom to pee. She let out a scream until she was done peeing...When the doctor came in he gave her a vaginal exam, and she was holding my hand and said it hurt. The doctor examined her and found no deep penetration and said it will probably take a couple of days before she can pee without pain....he was right. He checked to see if any other organs were showed any problem and there was no bleeding.

Today, she would probably be suspected of child sexual abuse.

I suggest you read your bible it might surprise you. I was quoiting one of the most miss quoted lines of Christ by people that have not read the verse. god could care less about government of man he cares about people all government is an attempt by man to govern themselves. god does not ask us to stick are nose in other peoples business because we are smarter he asks us to do it because we are there. you seem to think that I said what I said because I think I am smarter no I said what I said because I care. intelligence has nothing to do with it. I have seen plenty of people more intelligent then me do or say things that are just plain stupid

as far as tyranny goes tyranny comes when good people choose to do nothing. A tyrant depends on passive sheep who do not question what they here or see

I have no Idea what you have done that you don't want to look only you would know that and that is only discovered when you bother to look in your self. I do know that when I look at myself honestly I see a very flawed individual and truth be told it is hard to do self examination because it is very easy to deceive ourselves in what we have done that is sinful in nature

as far as knowing nothing about child abuse you are right. As a child I was fortunate enough never to have experienced anything major in the way of abuse and I am a single and never had kids of my own so I probably don't fully understand the pressure of being a parent but if I ever were to witness what I thought to be child abuse I would but in and damn anyone that got in the way.

as far as preaching you are the one responding to me you always have the choice to not respond it is hard to preach to someone that is not listening I am free to preach and you are free to ignore me and show contempt if that is what you feel.

Suppose you tell me the verse where Christ told us to be our brother’s keeper? You can’t do it.

God never asks us to stick our noses in anybody elses business. Maybe you could cite the verses where he tells us to do that.

Tyranny comes when people ask the government to go beyond its just power...like taking children from parents because you THINK there might be abuse or neglect.

You know nothing about me, but you are very eager to boldly state that I don’t want to look at what I’ve done....that is what Christ asks us to do? To accuse each other in ignorance? Suppose you show me where that verse is?

“...but if I ever were to witness what I thought to be child abuse I would but (sic) in and damn anyone that got in the way.” What you THOUGHT!!!!! There is your problem! You are ready to act without knowledge...just on what you THINK! That attitude is what invites tyranny.

You don’t know your Bible, but you ignorantly instruct others to read what isn’t there.

You know nothing about me, but you boldly assert, in your ignorance, that I am not willing to examine myself.

You have just stated that you will interfere in total ignorance if you THINK a child is abused.

I advise you to keep your ignorant nose out of my life, and the lives of everyone else. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

You don’t have the humility to recognize how ignorant you are, but you are ready, in your prideful self righteousness, to destroy families and people’s lives because of what you THINK you might know.

Again - please give me that verse, “one of the most miss (sic) quoted lines of Christ by people that have not read the verse.” where He instructs us to be our brother’s keeper...because I am very certain you haven’t read it.

I’m cool with hearing out both sides. I realize that most people have a quick reaction when they see a kid crying and screaming, and in another place or time, I would be right with them seeking medical attention (which I did do at the first safe opportunity).

I also have some background in knowing the people that go into professions such as CPS - they seem driven by a desire to SAVE CHILDREN from parental abuse (real or imagined), and it is a total obsession with them, to the point that it scares the hell out of normal people (such as myself), that don’t consider a scraped-up knee as a sign of neglect.
[and in some cases (maybe most cases) their performance is measured by how many kids they bring in]

So, in the end, I’d rather not have to deal with this bunch, I dealt with them enough in college (psych majors, as they called themselves)...and that was enough for a lifetime.

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