Posted on 11/30/2014 7:00:18 AM PST by nomad
bfl
Sawed-off RPG.
That all makes a lot of sense.
I agree with you, and routinely practice snap shots to the brainbox...If killing your attacker is all you’re after...
But we carry and train to defend ourselves and stop the attacker...A controlled pair to the larger target of the human thoracic cavity MAY stop the attack (which is your desired outcome...Not to KILL the attacker...But defend yourself, save your own life, and to stop the attack)...Your attacker may or may not survive two body shots...If the controlled pair fail to stop, and the attack on your life continues, then a cranial shot is your remaining option...
Probably easier for your defense counsel to make your case for self defense to a jury (test of reasonableness) if you’re trying to stop than immediately kill...Prosecutors (aka Progressive Politicians With Further Political Aspirations) may/likely try to make a first shot to the brain into an execution...
In the end, you must do what you must do to survive...Inevitably, if you’ve made the first shot to the brain box, be prepared to answer the allegations you’ve “executed” your attacker...See question: “Why didn’t you shoot him in the leg?”
My suggestions were made with a civilian on-the-street self-defense situation in mind rather than against an enemy combatant adversary...
No right or wrong necessarily...Just my humble opinion...Whatever you’ve done to save your own life, be prepared to defend your actions in a criminal trial...Or civil case where the burden of proof is even less...
Good luck out there...
General rule of thumb: Carry the pistol with the largest capacity in the largest caliber you personally shoot well...And mode of dress and body type play into this as well...Some body shapes cannot ever conceal a full-size 1911...Petite ladies (and men of smaller stature) are often if not always better served by the compact and subcompact 9mm and .380s...
Seems to be conventional wisdom out there .380 is a bit light for primary carry, but I know a lot of guys and gals who do...
With the right load, IMHO it’s fine, and there are several autos in .380 that have proven dependable and make great EDC and backup carry...Several cops I know personally carry .380s for backup...
Humble suggestion: Look at Corbon DPX 80gr .380 for EDC...Not cheap, but highly rated...
http://www.greent.com/40Page/ammo/9/9mm-advoc.htm
An older article advocating for the 9mm, but stands up to the test of time, IMHO...
Have a look...
As if women weren’t already “dealier than the male”, I think it’s that little bit of added danger when she’s armed that us guys find irresistible...
Just my addled mind wandering...
“which is your desired outcome...Not to KILL the attacker”
With all due respect, and I know the “stopping the attack” is the “self defense” aspect of shooting, but my objective is to kill the attacker. Kill. Dead. Then I KNOW the attacker cannot continue the attack.
I am not shooting because of some magical belief that a gunshot to the person will stop them somehow and maybe not even kill them. I am shooting, using lethal force, to kill to ensure the attack ceases. Lethal force, not “probable stoppage force”, lethal force.
I have killed more than once and have never stood trial much less charges. In fact, the only time I have ever faced charges was when I stupidly allowed my attacker to live and did not shoot the bastard. That was a major mistake. I got a little Kinder-and-Gentler in my less-than-youthful days and allowed my attacker to live. He then had a completely differing story than mine when the police showed up. I got arrested. No charges were ever filed, but him dead would have been a different story. Even the DA thought I was much too kind. I’ll never make that mistake again. Once the situation was over I knew I had screwed up. He easily could have overtaken me and killed me but he hesitated once he saw I had a split second before I would be shooting.
So, no. Don’t fall for the lawyering, yet inexperienced, line of logic that shooting to kill is different than shooting to end an attack. No one gets asked that question in court. If there is an attack, use lethal force when necessary, then prove it. Show the need to shoot. Period.
Philosophical questions of purpose never enter the legal argument. My view is that doing so under pressure will cause you to overthink the situation and question shooting when you really need to. Just have it solid in your head when and when not to shoot and go by that mental checklist. Yes or No. Nothing else matters. Use your State’s laws, federal laws, local laws, and, I suspect you have, get training that includes legal boundaries of shoot or no shoot. It really isn’t complicated if you skip the What-If nonsense. Get that checklist burned into your head and think of nothing else when the time comes.
Oh, and have a lawyer in your phone’s contact list or in your wallet. Lawyers really can help the situation more than you might imagine, and they don’t cost nearly as much as expected. Many lawyers have been prosecutors and know the magic words to say to get it all to go away.
No disrespect taken...My intent is to stop the attack and survive...If the attacker dies, so be it...Just meant killing him is not my first objective...If he dies from my guhshots and I survive, that’s my desired outcome...
No “magical belief” in my reasoning...And I realize if I have to question to shoot or not shoot, then I probably should not...
I simply meant to convey that I will not likely make a first shot to the head unless I have no other choice, and my personal reason why...I refrain from telling others what to do; simply offering what I will do and why...
Certainly did not want to start an argument over tactics...Just offering my own humble opinion about the risks as I perceive them associated with a first shot to the head and aftermath I’m likely to face if I survive...
And the shoot to kill-shoot to end distinction is a valid one...Your point about “Show the need...Prove it!” is well taken and appreciated...
My attorney’s contact info is in my wallet and programmed into my phone...Wifey has same with her at all times, and a trusted third party also has my legal counsel’s contact info...
Here is Harry doing some magic
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/79000/Dirty-Harry-Potter-with-a-Gun-79284.jpg
Have you seen the $10,000 insurance programs costing about $135 per family per year? We did that for a few years; gave a bit of piece of mind. They ensure your attorney gets a retainer quickly so he can represent you. They also will find an attorney registered with them if you don’t have one. I asked our 2nd amendment attorney here and he liked the idea. Said a simple $2,500 retainer also does the trick but was encouraging about the insurance program. Said if you get arrested for any reason and don’t have access to funds the insurance will take care of the retainer.
Taurus 24/7 gen2 compact. 45acp w/12 rds hydra-shocks. Winter
Taurus 24/7 gen1. 9mm w/17 rds jsp. Summer
Both small of the back in an Uncle Mikes.
Wifey and I are members with Armed Citizens Legal Defense network and US Law Shield, and have also made contact with the best 2nd Amendment attorneys where we live...He’s agreed to represent me whenever I call, 24/7, but the clock starts running when I do...
So that insurance is also a good idea and will look into it...Appreciate the tip...No such thing as “too much ammo”...Thanks
” Armed Citizens Legal Defense network “
That’s the organization I belonged to. You already got it.
Nice gun!
A little much for human bodies, there isn’t a bullet designed for that weapon that wouldn’t carry 80% of the energy of the round right through a person and go whistling on down the street looking for trouble.
That is the gun I would use for back up if I were in Alaska or Africa hunting big game.
A decently designed 9mm, 40 S&W, or 45 auto rounds will have one shot stops in the mid 90 percent range. With that effectiveness, the only thing left is worrying about accuracy (gun design, practice), barrier penetration (rifle work), defeating armor (illegal in a pistol round making it rifle work), and most importantly, avoiding situations where you need a weapon.
That 500 S&W is really cool though, I’m tempted to schedule a trip to Alaska just to justify buying one.
I’ve recently made a career change, there were opportunities in Maryland and California which I did not consider because of gun laws. I ended up with Colorado which definitely has its problematic gun laws but CC is available.
Yes they are great holsters for the money. If I am correct the guy that makes them is a cop and makes them on the side. Seems he didn’t like anything out there for a pocket holster and made his own.
I showed my Dad my Mike pocket holster and he ordered one immediately after taking his S&W model 49 bodyguard and holstering it and putting it in his pants pocket. Holster stayed in place, and it was easy to access his revolver and kept the trigger well covered. Had a brother order a Mika after one demo.
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