CONSERVATIVES AND GOP ESTABLISHMENT; A GETTYSBURG MOMENT (HOSTAGE)

over the past couple election cycles, there have been and continue to be a significant number of freepers that openly express disdain for the mere idea of sticking to principle if it means not voting for a RINO.

There are about 5 off hand I can think of that have gone full moonbat arguing with everyone in defense of Mitt Romney a full two years after tanking his own election. There are a great many that follow their lead. The end result is that we can’t get our crap together on the right with these RINO supporters doing everything within their power to keep us on the reservation. None of those people agree with or understand the things the article mentions. If they did, they wouldn’t have the position they do.

As for love of leadership, what difference does it ultimately make? They vote for them. They demand others vote for them when given the choice to vote for a conservative because winning with a liberal that hates them is preferable to ‘maybe’ winning with a conservative. Because Winning is all important regardless of principle.

Which is the entire thing that underscores the article.

And we’ve come full circle.

For instance, voting for Romney instead of 0bama does not indicate a freeper is a rino lover. In that case, it more often than not indicates they voted *against* 0bama more so than voting *for* Romney. That in no way means they are oblivious to the GOPe problem.

That there are 5 freepers out of thousands who aim low is statistically insignificant to me. Hence I said *practically* all freepers are aware of the GOPe problem.

I think we all want a conservative majority -and- we want it right now! Being a grown-up and sane, I understand and accept that sometimes gratification will be delayed and we have to keep chipping away at things.

So, we are constantly bombarded with restatement of the problems. We’ve all heard enough about that -OR- at the very least, those sorts of posts are all over the forums like a severe rash. You can’t scroll a page of posts without seeing them. Like I’ve said, it’s reached the point of ubiquity.

And I guess to refine my point, parroting the problems ad nauseum has gotten us nowhere. Let’s do something instead of sitting around b*tching about it. It’s time for those congress critters to start earning their keep. Here is something that I have yet to see at all: What procedural/parliamentary options are available to the conservative congressmen to force the GOPe leadership’s hand or at least try to steer them to the right? Give us something reasonable and plausible that we can contact the conservative congressmen about to pressure them, so that they will in turn apply that pressure forward to the GOPe squishes. I have no idea what the specifics of that sort of campaign would be and would have to lean on someone a lot smarter than me. BUT, we all should know how to contact congressmen and those campaigns are always most effective when coordinated. There’s a start.

I don’t see how we ‘start doing something about it’ when we can’t even agree on the basic principles of conservatism as a whole. What exactly should we do?

that’s the whole problem. If we keep ignoring the root cause, the fact that people vote to whn ‘no matter what’ and principles be damned, then what are we voting for? The answer is that we are voting in our own demise.

Now I fully get that people don’t like admitting they made mistakes. Their ego won’t allow it. But they did make a mistake and voting in RINOs is the whole of the problem.

You/we collectively cannot reelect RINOS over year after year and credibly say you believe in conservatism. You can credibly do that and say you are a RINO. If you believe in conservative values, then voting RINO is situational ethics. Because you cannot believe that both philosophies are reconcilable. Not credibly.

Our system of govt. is that you vote ‘for’. There is no box for ‘against’. Thats not semantics. Thats a reality. When we elect people we did it by voting for them. If a person votes for Romney or any other hard left GOP candidate, they voted FOR hard leftism in their supposed interest.

That is not remotely debateable. It’s basic civics. Yet many try inventing the one extraspecialsuperexcusejust for me that exempst them from their actions.

Rape someone and tell the judge it wasn’t rape rape. Tell the dad whose daughter you got caught with in the back seat you were doing homework. Tell the cop that your 18-mph Ferrari speedometer was broke when he clocked you at 170 on the interstate. Tell America that you are against abortion and amnesty ans all the rest when you vote for their biggest champions. None of that is remotely logical and people saying that stuff aren’t acting logically. They are being pragmatic. They are being emotional. They are being dishonest and they are flatly full of sXit.

None of this is rocket surgery. People vote RINO and continue the Great 30 year Fail because they want more of it. If they didn’t they would vote for what they believe in. Because they do not, this article is justified and because they don’t, they have proven they probably shouldn’t be voting at all.

You/we collectively cannot reelect RINOS over year after year and credibly say you believe in conservatism.

Not discounting the fact that you/we collectively *DID* elect some conservatives this time... What, 11 or more freshman conservatives? Plus Cantor getting his butt handed to him? Still, some rinos - the worst ones - did get re-elected. But, because we didn't manage a wholesale GOPe replacement, I wouldn't say F.R. is full of rino lovers.

As for voting against - that's not rocket surgery either. Given a choice between 0bama and a pile of dog poop... I don't like dog poop, but I don't like 0bama *FAR MORE* than I don't like dog poop. Guess how I'm voting? On the other hand, give me a conservative to vote for and I do. Every time.

And because some rinos got re-elected, doesn't mean that one of the most, if not *the* most conservative forums on the interwebs is full of rino voters that need constant reminders of the dangers of voting rino. The OH and KY voters supporting the likes of Boehner and McConnell probably aren't on FR. They're probably on one of the more GOPe tolerant, karl rove approved sites like Red State or whatever.

My point stands. The article is preaching to the dang choir. Instead of sitting around parroting the problem, we need someone way smarter than you or me to come up with some actions we can/should take. We have new freshman conservatives in congress. What support do they need? What can we do to keep them aiming high and pressuring the GOPe? Stuff like that.

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