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Keltec CMR30 Carbine Nears Public Release
alloutdoor.com ^ | October 20, 2014 | Oleg Volk

Posted on 10/28/2014 6:46:18 AM PDT by Jed Eckert

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To: Doctor 2Brains

Kommodor summed it nicely. I would also add that during WW2 the M1 carbine was issued as a substitute or in addition to the 1911 pistol, to be carried by officers, cooks etc. Lighter and smaller than the main battle rifle but easier to become proficient with and more accurate at longer ranges than the pistol.


21 posted on 10/28/2014 8:16:45 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert
I've had pretty good luck with the Gun Genie in past (and got what I wanted at an excellent price)

Second vote for Gun Genie. Don't forget Davidson's lifetime replacement warranty on any firearm purchased through them.

22 posted on 10/28/2014 8:21:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: T-Bird45
Availability is good, and the round has improved with advances in bullet technology.

This stuff gets 1000 fps out of a 2" barrel and will penetrate 12" of ballistic gelatin. Couple it with a Smith 351 PD 10.6 ounce 7 shot revolver and you've got a very concealable item.

23 posted on 10/28/2014 8:24:08 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: T-Bird45

They have been available all during the shortage.


24 posted on 10/28/2014 8:25:29 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Good to know about the availability. I’d love a test session with either the pistol or carbine.


25 posted on 10/28/2014 8:32:50 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: hoosierham
A regional problem is exactly what the 1968 Firearms laws were intended to do:make it difficult an add expense for Americans to legally acquire the firearm of their choice.Before 1968 I could have bought a gun in another state but since then it requires paperwork and fees to buy outside my home state.And it only bothers non-criminals.

Exactly! I remember before '68 ordering firearms through the mail from all over the country with no problems.

Then when they passed the GCA68 they instituted the FFL system and the slimy politicians (both R and D) assured everyone that "yes you'll still be able to order through mail, just get an FFL for a small fee. No need to be a business or have a storefront. Any law abiding citizen can get one. Oswald ordered his through the mail, we just don't want criminals to be able to order through the mail. "

The rest is history.

26 posted on 10/28/2014 8:35:16 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert

Keltec had some quality issues a year or two back—I hope they have improved, because they develop some interesting weapons!


27 posted on 10/28/2014 8:42:39 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Also don't forget that Federal still makes the Game-Shok with a 50 gr bullet for that little extra punch for bigger game. I believe that's the heaviest bullet you'll find in a modern rimfire round.
28 posted on 10/28/2014 9:22:12 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert

Do any of those central Florida dealers sell on-line? If so could you post a link. PMR-30s on Gun Genie have been “allocated” for months if not years. Cheaper Than Dirt doesn’t have them either. Thanks!


29 posted on 10/28/2014 10:00:38 AM PDT by Jaxter (Si vis pacem para bellum.)
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To: Jaxter
These guys sent me an email with their sale items about 6 weeks ago and they had plenty at the time. Unfortunately their sale is over now so I'm not sure what they want for them now:

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Florida Gun Exchange

I'll check around for some other local dealers that ship and will post a link if I find any. I saw quite a few dealers selling them at the last gun show about a month ago. Those were running about $40-$50 cheaper than this ad. I'll see if I still have any of their business cards.

30 posted on 10/28/2014 10:58:34 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jaxter
Buds Gun Shop $499.00-in stock-ships free
31 posted on 10/28/2014 11:43:22 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert

Thank you very much!


32 posted on 10/28/2014 11:57:59 AM PDT by Jaxter (Si vis pacem para bellum.)
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To: Jed Eckert; Gaffer
PMR-30 is ammunition sensitive. Kel-Tec advises NOT to use:Armscor 40r. Fiocchi 40r. All NON-USA made ammo.

They suggest using only CCI Maxi-Mag 40 gr. and JHP+V 30 gr. Fed Game Shok-JHP 50 gr. Win. Super-X FMJ 40 grin.

Good luck finding this stuff! At least @ reasonable prices...

33 posted on 10/28/2014 11:58:55 AM PDT by donozark (I may not have always saw the Phantoms. But I sure as hell heard their bombs!)
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To: Jed Eckert

Out of stock. I got mine via online auction. Not cheap...but I love the little rascal.


34 posted on 10/28/2014 12:01:52 PM PDT by donozark (I may not have always saw the Phantoms. But I sure as hell heard their bombs!)
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To: Jed Eckert
Personally, I'm looking forward to the new Browning: A small 1911 in 380 auto. Check the wed site.
35 posted on 10/28/2014 12:05:31 PM PDT by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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To: Jed Eckert; Doctor 2Brains

Tank crews also got the M1 carbine, along with the M3 grease gun, a .45 ACP sub machine gun. Both are effective at shorter ranges for when on watch when in laager, say, but small enough to keep inside the tank.


36 posted on 10/28/2014 12:18:37 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 300winmag; Squantos; Ramius; B4Ranch
Cool looking little carbine even if it shoots the pricey .22 mag.

Finally saw the pistol at the range/lgs, first one I've seen in a coon's age.

37 posted on 10/28/2014 12:18:40 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: donozark
Out of stock.....

Wow, that was fast. It was in stock when I posted the link.

38 posted on 10/28/2014 1:12:46 PM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert

I have never used a rifle with red dot sights, just regular old scopes. How does red dot compare with a scope and does it magnify?


39 posted on 10/28/2014 1:20:41 PM PDT by longhorn too
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I have never used a rifle with red dot sights, just regular old scopes. How does red dot compare with a scope and does it magnify?

Red dots don't magnify. They're mainly intended to get on target quicker than trying to line up front and rear iron sights. Looking through the sight put the red dot on your target and fire. If sighted in properly that's where your shots will land. Not really a substitute for long range scope shooting but a good replacement for iron sights especially if your eyes are old and tired like mine.

40 posted on 10/28/2014 1:38:29 PM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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