Thanks Lurkina.n.Learnin and Robert A. Cook, PE. Good one for the weekly Digest ping.
Posted on 08/22/2014 8:00:53 PM PDT by fatez
"The Man Who Came Early," by Poul Anderson (1956). He knows, for example, that gunpowder is made of sulfur, saltpeter and charcoal, but can't find any saltpeter in medieval Iceland.
The other view-- that a modern man sent into the past could rule the world with his knowledge-- probably originated in Murray Leinster's "Sidewise in Time" (1934).
Probably both versions are correct-- in Anderson's story, the hero is thrown back in time with no warning, but Leinster has his professor pack the books and tools he will need to rule the ancient world.
Actually quite a lot. They were painting and decorating themselves. They discovered complex hunting traps. They painted wonderful stuff on cave walls and discovered much of the world. They had rather complete tool kits made of stone and bone. They successfully lived through some horrendous ice ages. Don’t forget the Toba eruption. All in all, they were pretty busy.
Not just Cayce, the Akashic records pop up several places.
They are something. I have no idea what, except they seem to be everything.
Lest Darkness Fall by L. Sprague de Camp is a pretty good read too.
I wonder how much it would go for on eBay?
awl shucks!
Yosef Garfinkel did a lot of the work at this site and the dating was probably based on his work. He is very conservative and highly respected. I follow his work very closely and I am using it for my own master’s in the chalcolithic period in the Levant. The dating range is probably accurate, but it is only hand grenade close...
Library of Alexandria. Down in flames. Much has been lost.
Either related to goat herding or decapitation.
“6000 years ago, 4000 years before Christ. That IS old, even before the Egyptians.”
And 500 years before the Sumerian civilization.
What we know of those two civilizations is just what archeologists tell us. Even to them there are various things which are mysterious - they have no idea what they are or were used for; and so generally dismiss them as ‘religious’ objects, jewelry, or decorations.
However, the biggest problem with archeologists is they have no (or very limited) scientific training. They know the dates of a civilization (learned from other archeologists), how to preserve items, how to uncover items, and so forth. But after that their discipline gets weak. They are not cross trained, but rigidly compartmentalized.
Ask them to compute angles, do simple surveying, measure shadows, do a chemical analysis, and so on, they will just scratch their heads and argue dates etc.
A crystal stone becomes jewelry, even though it is optically ground to a diopter - it magnifies and corrects for shortsightedness or far sightedness.
The white limestone casing on the Great Pyramid is just decoration, even though it is also ground and polished to optical standards, further the stones were fitted to a hair width apart. Never do they take into account the time it would take to grind and polish those stones when figuring how long it would take to build the pyramid, or why the Old Kingdom Egyptians went to the trouble.
In short, both the Old Kingdom Egyptians and the Sumerians began their civilizations with technologies fully found. Where did those technologies come from? Archeologists can make guesses, but they do not know.
Which leads to you question: “So what we humans doing from 200,000 BC - 4000 B.C.?”
Since our current civilization is just over 6,000 years old, a span of 200,000 years leaves room for many civilizations to come and go. Where are they? Well, suppose they built like the African civilizations in the 14th Century: out of wood, and were far in advance of the Portuguese - at the time, the most advanced in Europe. Once the Portuguese introduced firearms those civilizations collapsed and the jungle took over; the wood rotted and disappeared.
Suppose some one else built out of glass, copper, or even iron. All those materials would be either shattered or corroded to dust over the span of several hundred thousand years (even out own were ours to collapse totally as others did in the past). Then there is the problem of ‘prevailing consensus’ which plagues all the sciences, especially archeology - which basically says everything is linear, and if something can’t be, then it wasn’t.
Back to the crystal stone: since optical devises where not used until the 17th Century, then they must be jewelry and are relegated to some dark corner display case in some obscure museum - same for other ‘anomalous’ objects: they do not fit the consensus - and so are ignored.
An archeologist could trip over a 100,000 year old civilization today and not see it, since it could not have existed and move on to more productive sites. That’s what humans were doing for the past unaccounted hundreds of thousand of years.
What er are doing today is more important then what we may or may not have done in the past: we are ignoring the obvious to satisfy someone’s professional ego.
BTW: there are stories (true or not) of metal figurines being found in lumps of coal - back in the day when people had to smash the lumps fit them into their stoves - those would be figurines would be hundreds on MILLIONS of years old. Go figure.
THANKS for your thoughts. They are enlightening.
Thanks for your thoughts. MY statement was more rhetorical than anything else. Only God really KNOWS what they were doing; we simply flounder around and hope for the best.
Thanks Lurkina.n.Learnin and Robert A. Cook, PE. Good one for the weekly Digest ping.
Which leads to you question: “So what we humans doing from 200,000 BC - 4000 B.C.?”
The equivalent of the democrat party was in charge. Look at countries with the natural resources we have that are still 3rd world because of politicians / dictators / chieftains etc.
Imagine how many times someone came up with a great idea only to be stopped because power would shift to someone other they those in control.
Awl righty then!
Great memory jogger there !!
Great memory jogger there !!
Thanks blam!
I’m not so sure about that....
You can make lots of weapons from natural materials....
I’m not sure a common knife would get you very far...in ruling the world...
Considering hunters could bring down a wooly mamnoth with flint spears on a pole...
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