Posted on 01/23/2014 9:19:28 AM PST by Heartlander
I can’t get to that one. The web filters here at work have it categorized as “Web and Email Spam” and have it blocked.
How very convenient… Let’s just cut to the chase – Do you believe it is impossible for a discussion about ID to not include religion?
I believe I haven't ever seen one here that did not. I can't say I've seen them all, but the ones I've gotten pinged to seem to be focused on it.
Any idea what they've done to earn that classification?
That’s not what I asked... Do you believe it is impossible for a discussion about ID to not include religion?
Why should I answer your questions? I’ve seen what you do with it when I do.
So you were not trying to answer the question the first time? – post 124
I was, and it was probably a mistake.
Try UltraSurf
You think I should try to circumvent the security filters?
You might find this helpful: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2515231/posts
(1) are rebellions against the transcendent Creator God and the world of His making.
(2) are rejections of the human condition/human nature as such.
(3) in response to (2), seek the divinization of man, or (in many cases), the divinization of a man (e.g., Joachin de Fiore, Nietzsche, Hegel, Obama).
Spirited: Agreed.
According to Thomas Molnar, there was a very close relationship between neo-paganism (scientific animism, monism) and the occult that emerged out of the Renaissance.
They were united by a joint effort: a search for a different 'human' race, both super-intelligent and empowered with the powers of a new kind of magic, "scientific" or mythical:
"(the) new supermagic, despite being called scientific, is no less aimed at a fantastic reorientation of our condition, in the spirit of a Gnostic dissociation from the created world." (The Pagan Temptation, p. 146)
At the root of the rejection of the living God is the defiant narcissistic assertion that man has not been created by Him, that he is not dependent upon Him for his own life, thus he is not created in His spiritual image.
Calling themselves "liberated" spirits, free-spirits, free-thinkers, antitheists (i.e., Marx) and revolutionaries, they saw themselves as not dependent upon the living God because they were man-gods, the creators of God, the masters of time, being, and the world who through their own powers would save themselves.
Believing they were superior to Him, they said, "you are not my father:"
"I am I, I come out of myself, and in choice and action I make myself." (Daniel Bell, quoted by Herbert Schlossberg in "Idols for Destruction," p. 43)
But in rejecting the living Creator who spoke creation into existence they had to fall back upon the only option available: anti-human, anti-creation Nature---void, matter, and energy working on and through matter.
Matter is amoral, it cannot think, speak, or create life, let alone human consciousness. In the words of the atheist philosopher Bertrand Russell:
"Blind to good and evil, reckless of destruction,omnipotent matter rolls on its relentless way." (Russell, "Why I am not a Christian and Other Essays on Religion and Related Subjects," 1957, p. 115)
Pagan animism and its primary doctrine evolution is a magical religious worldview devoid of God:
"Evolution is a religion," declared evolutionary religionist Michael Ruse. "This was true of evolution in the beginning and it is true still today…One of the most popular books of the era was 'Religion Without Revelation,' by Julian Huxley, grandson of Thomas Huxley…As always evolution was doing everything expected of religion and more." (National Post, Canadian Edition)
All worldviews begin with a religious declaration. The Biblical or Revealed Word perspective begins with, "In the beginning God…" Super-magic begins with divinized man declaring, "In the beginning void, matter, and energy."
Void, matter, and energy is all there is, and despite that none of it lives or thinks, magical matter nevertheless thinks, chooses, is miraculously self-perfecting and Divine:
"…matter itself continually attains to higher perfection under its own power, thanks to indwelling dialectic…the dialectical materialists attribution of 'dialectic' to matter confers on it, not mental attributes only, but even divine ones." (Dialectical Materialism, Gustav A. Wetter, 1977, p. 58)
In explicitly religious language, the following neo-pagan magicians offer all praise, honor, and glory to their non-life bearing, anti-human, anti-creator:
"We may regard the material and cosmic world as the supreme being, as the cause of all causes, as the creator of heaven and earth." (Vladimir Lenin quoted in Communism versus Creation, Francis Nigel Lee, 1969, p. 28)
"The Cosmos is all that is or ever will be." (Carl Sagan, Cosmos, 1980, p. 4)
Evolutionary atheism (scientific super-magic) has amply demonstrated itself to be a virulently anti-human, pathologically destructive, demonically murderous worldview. In just the first eighty-seven years of the twentieth century, the project of radically transforming the world and the consciousness of mankind has led to the brutal extermination of between 100-170 million un-evolved 'subhuman' men, women, and children.
In the Soviet Union, the God-and-human hating Magus Vladimir Lenin exulted that,
"Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another (and) that they were created by God, and hence immutable." (Fatal Fruit, Tom DeRosa, p. 9)
Lenin exercised godlike power over life and death. He saw himself as, "the master of the knowledge of the evolution of social species." It was Lenin who "decided who should disappear by virtue of having been condemned to the dustbin of history." From the moment Lenin made the "scientific" decision that the bourgeoisie represented a stage of humanity that evolution had surpassed, "its liquidation as a class and the liquidation of the individuals who actually or supposedly belonged to it could be justified." (The Black Book of Communism, p. 752)
In Nazi Germany pagan super-magic resulted in gas chambers, ovens, and the liquidation of eleven million "useless eaters" and other undesirables.
Alain Brossat draws the following conclusions about the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, and the ties that bind them:
"The 'liquidation' of the Muscovite executioners, a close relative of the 'treatment' carried out by Nazi assassins, is a linguistic microcosm of an irreparable mental and cultural catastrophe that was in full view on the Soviet Stage. The value of human life collapsed, and thinking in categories replaced ethical thought…In the discourse and practice of the Nazi exterminators, the animalization of Other…was closely linked to the ideology of race. It was conceived in the implacably hierarchical racial terms of "subhumans" and "supermen"…but in Moscow in 1937, what mattered…was the total animalization of the Other, so that a policy under which absolutely anything was possible could come into practice." (Black Book of Communism, p. 751)
Kultursmog: Evolutionary occult neo-paganism is the most dangerous religion thus far in history. It begins with the 'animalization of Other,' in tandem with the elevation of the 'superior elite pagan class' for whom this serves as a license to make up their own rules, abuse power, and force their will onto the citizens. This is accompanied by a process that pathologizes faith in God, creation ex nihilo, immutable truth, "He made them man and woman," enduring principles, moral ethics, virtue, and social taboos while simultaneously elevating narcissism, tyranny, cruelty, nihilism, confusion, perversion, sadism, theft, and lying to positions of politically correct "new morality."
Satanically twisted "new morality" (political correctness) is then enforced through sensitivity training, speech codes, hate crime laws, and other intimidation tactics. If not stopped, as history warns us, this rapidly escalating downward process leads inevitably to enslavement, mass murder and totalitarianism:
"A scientific analysis of behavior dispossesses autonomous man and turns the control he has been said to exert over to the environment. The individual…is henceforth to be controlled…in large part by other men." (Evolutionary Behaviorist B.F. Skinner, Understanding the Times, David Noebel, p. 232)
If God is real, science is nothing but a mechanism which can do nothing but conform to God’s rules.
Reset your “Spam and Stupidity” filters - I no longer see his posts.
Did you all get together an plan this before you called me over here?
No you don't.
Why are you asking me?
Because you appear to be suggesting that I do that.
I know what you do after I answer a question like that.
I'll bet not.
Thanks, but I’m not really looking for someone to correct my religious beliefs. I’ll let you know if I change my mind.
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