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Catching Fire: my review
11/30/2013 | LS

Posted on 11/30/2013 2:34:46 PM PST by LS

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To: LS
The dystopian future of (1987) Robocop's bankrupt Detroit is occurring in 2013.

The dystopia of The Hunger Games will occur in ...?

61 posted on 11/30/2013 7:00:56 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: LS

Just saw the movie. Enjoyed it very much.


62 posted on 11/30/2013 7:04:50 PM PST by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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To: lee martell

Ping.


63 posted on 11/30/2013 7:06:48 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks DuncanW.


64 posted on 11/30/2013 7:14:00 PM PST by lee martell
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To: lee martell

You’re welcome.


65 posted on 11/30/2013 7:17:24 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Nuc 1.1

We liked it too. Unmistakable messaging; predominantly young folks in the audience, unusually quiet throughout.


66 posted on 11/30/2013 7:24:24 PM PST by pingman (Trust a lib? Surely you jest!)
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To: T-Bird45
First, this is a leftie blogger trying desperately to make it about Bush.

Second, from what I've read of Collins, she is no leftie.

Third, haven't you noticed? NO ONE even knows who OWS is anymore. They went away when Zero began making the country poorer and his Wall Street buds richer (not that I have anything against Wall Street, as my retirement account has soared).

So I think anyone trying to tie this to OWS is not only obsolete and irrelevant, but badly wrong.

67 posted on 12/01/2013 6:28:28 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Well, no. As a filmmaker myself, I have a message to deliver. Now, admittedly for some people that message is just “let me entertain you with mindless stuff” for two hours-—that is what the “Jackass” movies are. But for others, no, movies (like books) are meant to be more.


68 posted on 12/01/2013 6:29:49 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Qatar-6
Yes, but this is where you need to apply the longer story line. Peeta appears to be a wimp, but we learn that there is a broader conspiracy at work where, indeed, others ARE sacrificing themselves for Katness because she is Spartacus as it were.

This is, in fact, the "great man/great woman" theory at work---that there are millions of workerbees, but only a few Carnegies, Pattons, and so on.

69 posted on 12/01/2013 6:31:33 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: sphinx

Yes. Maybe she can be one of the few who keeps her mind free of leftist gibberish nonsense. A few-—Stacy Dash, Alicia Silverstone, do.


70 posted on 12/01/2013 6:33:27 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: sphinx

Yes, exactly-—except with Hunger Games there is a catch in that, more like Spartacus, there is a larger plot afoot among the gladiators to overthrow the (Obama) regime.


71 posted on 12/01/2013 6:34:51 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: raybbr

Yes, but be clear, that is the author of the BLOG, not Collins.


72 posted on 12/01/2013 6:35:40 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: sphinx
By the way, gladiators---like every one else (as make clear in the Showtime bloody version of "Spartacus") had a certain pride in their work. I think this is an element of human nature that is almost impossible to repress. Even if your "job" is performing for the masters by killing people, there is a tiny element in you that wants to show YOU that you can do something well. No one likes to deliberately fail.

This, of course, is the message in "Bridge on the River Kwai," where the tension is between resisting the Japanese on the one hand and on the other showing them that "they ain't no British" when it comes to work or engineering. And what David Lean seems to have missed is that in fact there MAY HAVE BEEN a greater morale victory in actually building the bridge than in resisting the Japanese. Jesus said as much ("Overcome evil with good.") Now, I'm no Gandhi, but there may be instances where you gain a greater victory by either building something HE cannot build (the bridge) or destroying something HE cannot build ("The Fountainhead"). These are all deep metaphysical questions that I sure don't have answers to, but heck, I know enough to ask questions.

73 posted on 12/01/2013 6:40:43 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS

My two young teens read this series when the third came out a year or two ago, and I began reading the first because I was bored and it was sitting on the couch. Needless to say to those who read the books, I was pretty obsessed until I finished the trilogy and was blown away by the comparisons with the Regime and CD in the book—not because these people are sacrificing kids for fun, but because I was able to see the tyranny and control a government not run by and for the people is able to assert control. My kids definitely read the message the way Freepers read the message, and all of their friends read the book, too. I actually had hopes that this series could be an eye opener for their generation, and still have that hope!


74 posted on 12/01/2013 6:59:39 AM PST by Rutabega (If you don't want me in your personal affairs, don't stick your hand out for my help.)
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To: LS

I totally agree with you, Larry, but the article provides a look into the twisted thinking at work while they totally ignore the deeper point about freedom being taken by depraved despots.


75 posted on 12/01/2013 7:18:41 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Rutabega

If you haven’t read “Atlas Shrugged,” even though it can be a strain through some of the monologues, do so. You’ll see even more comparisons.


76 posted on 12/01/2013 9:05:19 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: T-Bird45

I guess something that just became apparent to me was the utter irrelevance of OWS in the last year. They have virtually disappeared. my college students draw a blank when I refer to OWS.


77 posted on 12/01/2013 9:06:10 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS

All OWS “achieved” was left behind as trash piles of placards. They were appealing to the passing fancy of any class envy they could engender but that approach is like a prairie river, a mile wide but an inch deep. The Hunger Games series appeals to deeper human desires for personal freedom, unfettered enterprise, and pursuit of that which matches our own core values.


78 posted on 12/01/2013 9:22:38 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: LS
Yes, but be clear, that is the author of the BLOG, not Collins.

Quote from the link I sent you: "In the special features section called “Game Maker: Suzanne Collins and the Hunger Games Phenomenon,” David Levithan, an editor for the publisher (Scholastic), tells views that “The Hunger Games” was “written in frustration of the Bush era.”"

Unless there is evidence to the contrary Collins must agree with him or she would have come out against his comments.

79 posted on 12/01/2013 9:25:28 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: Qatar-6

I don’t know if the author intended it, but in the trilogy, Katniss is not so much the warrior hero, as the pawn who survives because others see her as a useful tool, and hope to use her for their own power.

She is a hero in the small-hero sense; she is self-reliant, she cares deeply for her family, and she is not afraid. But as you said, it is Peta who saved her family. Then he saves her, along with Haymitch and the game-runner.

Then Snow tries to use her. Meanwhile, there is a real rebellion, which she knows nothing about, but when the masses see her small acts of defiance, they gain the strength to stand. So the rebellion decides to use her as well.

Throughout the book, she knows little of the plans. She spends a lot of time sidelined. She throws in little bits of important help, but needs a lot of work from others to be useful to the cause.

And into the 3rd book, we see just how much she is being used. And while the leaders fear her, they had little reason to fear her personally, she was not going to be the leader of anything, just the figurehead.


80 posted on 12/01/2013 9:36:49 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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