Posted on 09/07/2013 11:57:54 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
Of course. Those in government told ya guns bad.
re: “Those in government do not want or need any independent oversight by independent outside investigators...There is no need for parent volunteer oversight boards supervising the corrupt government public school...This is impossible to do anyway...”
What you’re really saying is that YOU can’t figure out how to work out these parent/citizen oversight groups either.
You give no real plan for the logistics of any of it. You have no answer for who would recruit, or who would have the authority to put these groups together.
And, how is that a volunteer citizens group is any more trained in “investigations” than a principal or teacher?
I can tell you of at least one outside school parent organization that is every bit as liberal as the democrat party and that’s the PTA. That group is supposedly parent controlled, yet often those who become the leadership of the local PTA are extremely liberal - sometimes they don’t even have children in that school.
re: “ Government oversight is too hard...It can’t be done!
Government knows better! Nor do we need vigilantes volunteers on the borders...it’s all too complex...It’s impossible! Something might go wrong... Let just allow agents and their employees within the government public schools and other government departments such as the Dept of Education, the NSA, IRS, police departments and the FBI to do their jobs. Hillary and Attorney General Holder say butt out of government business! Everything is fine! They know better! Get back to work you peons!”
How did we get to this from your opinion that principals and teachers are incapable of investigating school disciplinary incidents?
The oversight of schools is accomplished by parents and the local media. Parents have a way of finding out when weird stuff is happening in a school. And, they have a way of getting that information out on some local news entity - or get posted on a news website - which then gets posted on Drudge or Free Republic. Holy H**l is then raised across the nation and usually the bad persons are removed. Not always, but often it works out.
Government public school teachers for the most part are incapable of teaching kids the very basics and you want them to conduct their own internal investigations?
Come on rusty...
For decades now public govenrment schools have become a hotbed of leftist liberalism. Academia is full of disgusting liberals and Communist...They graduate kids who can barely write or speak, let alone be proficient in subjects like math and science.
The kiddies for the past several generations are mostly uneducated and have been totally brain washed by your unionized public govenrment schools. Where ya been rusty?
Get yourself updated rusty and reboot yourself. None of this is a secret.
And it's also no secret you'd like things left as business as usual in the corrupt government public schools....
Legitimate much needed independent oversight of these bloated corrupt government institutions are unwanted, not needed, and would be impossible anyway...Right rusty?
Is this after the public school administrators and teachers are done hitting on and trying to bang the students?
You don't get out much do ya rusty?
Dragnet,
I’ve decided you are a complete idiot. You don’t give any details as to the logistics of an oversight group on public schools. You just claim it’s all corrupt. That without these oversight groups, which you’ve never given any workable plan how they would work, public schools will always be corrupt.
You assume I’m against making government accountable because I said that principals and teachers, in general, are well capable of investigating ordinary, everyday school incidents.
You claim most school personnel are incompetent, hitting on kids sexually, and physically abusive.
You claim that a principal looking into, inquiring, investigating a school incident is automatically a “conflict of interest”.
You assume that there is no outside oversight of a public school - which isn’t true.
Now, you make your “cherry on the top” statment:
“Is this after the public school administrators and teachers are done hitting on and trying to bang the students?”
Ok, dragnet, just how would you stop that? There already is in place a police background check on each and every school employee, each one is fingerprinted, photographed - yet, it still happens from time to time.
Do you have any idea how many public schools there are, dragnet? There’s nearly 99,000! With an average of just 40 employees at each school, that means there are almost 4,000,000 employees, and about 50,000,000 students.
Dragnet, think for a minute, any organization with that many employees and students - you don’t think the odds are that there are bound to be a certain percentage that are whackos? How do you stop that on a practical level? How do you stop it anywhere on a practical level?
I’m for allowing concealed weapons on campus, or volunteer ex-military to carry concealed to protect our schools.
I don’t know how old you are, dragnet, but when I was in school in the 60’s, this kind of stuff did not happen on school campuses. What was the difference?
Society. Our nation has over 50% single parent families now. Kids do and say stuff in schools today that were completely unheard of when I was in school. So many parents want the schools to be babysitters and surrogate parents - it’s impossible.
So, if it makes you feel better to just insult rather than answer, go ahead. I mean public schools are an easy target.
According to you, it's the parents and the kids fault for the total failure of government public schools.
The government public schools and their unionized employees on the tax paid payrolls are legitimate, honorable and have no need for independent oversight!
Very slick rusty!
You assume I’m against making government accountable because I said that principals and teachers, in general, are well capable of investigating ordinary, everyday school incidents.
They're not even capable of teaching the kiddies the basics like English, science and math. But you're all for allowing these unionized tax paid teachers and their overpaid administrators to conduct their own internal investigations, which they were never trained to do?
No bias or conflict of interest there...Oh yeah!
And according to rusty, don't even think of having any independent oversight of government public schools independent..The logistics are simply impossible, too complex..It's can't be done...Like our violent lawless borders...They're impossible to control or secure....Right rusty?
So everyone better continue to pack their kiddies off to the leftist public government school brainwash centers. When not playing grab azz with the kids the overpaid administrators and unionized government teachers get to play cop and investigator as they produce entire generations of leftist thinking subjects.
No changes are need...The big mouths in the private sector need to shut up and get back to work. They must pay more taxes as the unionized government public schools need bigger pay raises and more lucrative retirement pensions.
Dismantle the public school system. It’s a corrupt and bloated entity.
re: “Very slick rusty!”
Look, if you’re going to keep using the above quip, at least do it correctly, it should be, “rusty, slick move, x-lax!”
re: “rusty, I’ve decided you’re a business as usual, big government fraud. According to you, it’s the parents and the kids fault for the total failure of government public schools. The government public schools and their unionized employees on the tax paid payrolls are legitimate, honorable and have no need for independent oversight!
Very slick rusty!
They’re not even capable of teaching the kiddies the basics like English, science and math. But you’re all for allowing these unionized tax paid teachers and their overpaid administrators to conduct their own internal investigations, which they were never trained to do?
No bias or conflict of interest there...Oh yeah!
And according to rusty, don’t even think of having any independent oversight of government public schools independent..The logistics are simply impossible, too complex..It’s can’t be done...Like our violent lawless borders...They’re impossible to control or secure....Right rusty?
So everyone better continue to pack their kiddies off to the leftist public government school brainwash centers. When not playing grab azz with the kids the overpaid administrators and unionized government teachers get to play cop and investigator as they produce entire generations of leftist thinking subjects.
No changes are need...The big mouths in the private sector need to shut up and get back to work. They must pay more taxes as the unionized government public schools need bigger pay raises and more lucrative retirement pensions.”
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If there is anyone left still reading any of this, all the above from dragnet about me is because I said that school principals and teachers are capable of investigating ordinary school incidences/events - like chewing gum, messing up the bathroom, typical classroom disruption/behavior, ordinary concerns from parents, a schoolyard scuffle, etc. That’s it.
By “typical problems” and “ordinary parent concerns” I mean issues that are not “criminal” in nature. Then, of course, the police need to be called in.
That makes me a “big government fraud”, “against government accountability”, for “allowing teachers and administrators to play cop”, support “leftest public school government school brainwashing centers”, and last but not least, dragnet says I’m all for these “unionized tax paid teachers and their overpaid administrators playing cop who like to play grab azz with kids and who want to produce generations of leftist thinking subjects.”
All this I am guilty of, because I said a principal should be capable of investigating typical school problems.
Also, because I asked dragnet how these volunteer oversight groups of schools would work - who would decide who gets to be in the group, what qualifies a person to be in the group, what authority would this group be under?
So, dragnet, you get the last word ‘cause I’m sick of this. Why I kept responding to you, I don’t know. Maybe I thought I was misunderstanding what you were saying, but no. Anyway, have at it.
Again, the bloated corrupt public government school administrators and their government unionized leftist teachers are not capable, nor are they trained to conduct non-biased, conflict free investigations.
They cannot be trusted rusty.
I base this on the fact most of them are not even capable of teaching basic subjects like math, science and English...
So how in tarnation would you expect them to perform a non-biased, conflict free investigation?
This is not complex rusty!
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