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Lincoln Defended: The Case Against the Critics of Our 16th President
National Review ^ | 06/05/2013 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 06/05/2013 7:52:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: MamaTexan

I refer my learned friend to the answer I gave some moments ago.


341 posted on 06/08/2013 11:55:03 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Interesting aspect of being descended from one couple.

Humans have 46 chromosomes, Gorillas and chimpanzees have 48. It has been identified that human chromosome 2 is nearly identical to two ape chromosomes if they were linked end to end. Between the two ‘similar to ape chromosome’ areas there is a failed telomere,

A mutation to link two chromosomes end to end would have reduced fertility between those who had that pair linked, and those who did not. Neandertal and Denisovian, as well as modern human DNA show this pattern in Chromosome 2.

It is very likely that the number of people to which the mutation occurred was very small, and subsequent to that would be practically unable to breed with other members of the population that did not have that anomaly.


342 posted on 06/09/2013 12:17:19 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: central_va

I am opposed to the slavers of today for the same reason that I hope I would be opposed to the slavers of yesteryear.

By contrast, seem to be opposed to the slavers of today, for which I felicitate you, but you seem to support the slavers of yesteryear.

I don’t mind it. I just don’t understand it.


343 posted on 06/09/2013 12:20:37 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: central_va

There was a great deal of corruption during the war. One RE Lee was able to rent his slaves to the insurrection and turn a fine profit.

By contrast, Grant, when apprised of his father’s machinations to get people contracts to act as support contractors, banned his fathers contacts.

Sherman also banned support contractors, except for one for each army corps after he took Atlanta. This prevented the support contractors from making money from the remaining civilian population of Atlanta.


344 posted on 06/09/2013 12:26:39 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker; rockrr; 0.E.O
I just don’t understand it.

You are an intolerant South hating bigot and because the war was not about slavery, that is the reason why you can't will never understand. My God fearing ancestors were not toothless idiots and they believed in the Constitution, as written, and knew the tyranny that was coming, so slavery was the issue but not the cause.

You, like so many others, are are looking at the past thru a 21st century lens. My ancestors were from the Roanoke region. None of them owned slaves and most of them were bricklayers and carpenters. Yes, believe it or not, WHITE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WORKED in antebellum south. You have stereotyped the South to your liking, and have devoured the reconstructed history of that era the fits in nicely with the progressive movement that followed. The bastardization of the US Constitution required this brainwashing as to mask the true horror done to the republic by the "Goon with the extra hole in his head" and you are a prime, albeit boring, typical example.

345 posted on 06/09/2013 4:07:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker

To bad Sherman didn’t act on his suicidal thoughts and blew his own brains out prior to re upping in the Army. The sick bastard.


346 posted on 06/09/2013 4:09:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
The way I understand it if the Governor doesn’t ask for Federal assistance then the President cannot do anything. For instance disaster relief. FEMA cannot just go in to a state without that state’s governors authority.

That's basically true. But has nothing to do with putting down insurrection.

347 posted on 06/09/2013 4:16:07 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
How can a state be in rebellion with itself? When a state votes for articles of secession that is not a rebellion.

When those acts of secession were illegal and the states chose armed conflict then they are in rebellion against the U.S.

Let's cut to the chase, you guys think like thugs, like Nazi's.

You called me to task once linking the Confederacy with the Axis in World War II. Link And yet you jump to Nazi comparisons at the drop of a hat. Doesn't your hypocrisy cause you any embarrassment at all?

348 posted on 06/09/2013 4:21:47 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
But has nothing to do with putting down insurrection.

The insurrection act of 1807 does not apply. The act requires the local governments to take the lead - to ask for help of FedGov™.

The general aim is to limit Presidential power as much as possible, relying on state and local governments for initial response in the event of insurrection.

There wasn't an insurrection, it was a a secession voted on by the people.

"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language."

349 posted on 06/09/2013 4:23:20 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 0.E.O
Doesn't your hypocrisy cause you any embarrassment at all?

Sucks to be called a Nazi doesn't it? Why don't you thru Freepmail try to keep your yapping Dog Donmeaker on a shorter leash. He is a wacko. I was awake last night at 3 oclock and he was camping out on this thread. LOL.

350 posted on 06/09/2013 4:26:02 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 0.E.O
When those acts of secession were illegal

Only you think they're illegal, you and that turd in your pocket.

351 posted on 06/09/2013 4:27:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker

Before spreading any more lies, please respond to your earlier lie that General Lee developed the tactic to shoot soldiers who didn’t meet military objectives. Three days later, and I am still waiting for your answer.


352 posted on 06/09/2013 4:30:58 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: MamaTexan
Yet yours is like opening your wallet for him and then thanking him for the robbery.

More like punishing him for his wrong-doing.

The words insurrection and rebellion appear nowhere in Art4Sec4, just invasion and 'domestic violence'. But which of those terms would be closer to fitting the common definition of rebellion and insurrection? Certainly not invasion, to which the federal government is supposed to render assistance, but domestic violence... the part of the clause that REQUIRES State authority/

It appears in Article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions..." Nothing in that about getting state permission to do so.

Clause 17 limits all the exclusive powers of the federal government inside the country to one place - the federal enclave.

That is absolutely ridiculous. What you're saying is that unless D.C. or a national park is invaded then the government cannot respond until a state legislature asks for it. You honestly believe that?

Using the supposition that Congress had the authority to determine what did or did not constitute rebellion or insurrection in the States would make the entire purpose of the enumeration of powers...pointless!

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as rebellion against the Unites States. I doubt our Founders would sign on to an idea as radical as that. Washington certainly didn't.

Feel better? :-)

A little. But since the Air Force got its start as part of the Army I think you just drove the blood pressure of veterans of those two services right through the roof by linking them with the Navy.

353 posted on 06/09/2013 4:36:41 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
Only you think they're illegal, you and that turd in your pocket.

Me. Twenty two states. Madison. Jackson. Lincoln. Two million plus volunteers, many of whom gave their lives for that belief. I feel pretty good in that company so you can keep your turds for yourself.

354 posted on 06/09/2013 4:45:35 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
Sucks to be called a Nazi doesn't it?

No, I just find your hypocrisy very amusing.

Why don't you thru Freepmail try to keep your yapping Dog Donmeaker on a shorter leash.

Do you feel the need to keep wackdoodles like Georgia Girl 2 under control?

I was awake last night at 3 oclock and he was camping out on this thread. LOL.

So...you're up at 3 camping out on this thread and you're complaining that he was up at 3 camping out on this thread? And you see nothing even remotely hypocritical in that complaint?

355 posted on 06/09/2013 4:49:30 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
The act requires the local governments to take the lead - to ask for help of FedGov™.

The Constitution does apply. And it doesn't require that.

There wasn't an insurrection, it was a a secession voted on by the people.

We can call it a rebellion or a revolution if you like. Or a revolt or an uprising or an insurgency or any other synonym you may choose. They all mean basically the same thing. They're all illegal. And Congress had the authority to put any of them down.

356 posted on 06/09/2013 4:58:05 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

As long as donemaker (the liar ) is your ally, you have the same crediblility as far as I am concerned.


357 posted on 06/09/2013 5:04:08 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: catfish1957
As long as donemaker (the liar ) is your ally, you have the same crediblility as far as I am concerned.

If your credibility is dependent on your fellow neo-Rebs then you're in just as much trouble as I am.

358 posted on 06/09/2013 5:08:33 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

I’m not calling any of these guys leftists but isn’t it interesting that they all have resorted to insults once they realized their “arguments” (repeating the same thing over & over isn’t an argument!) aren’t working? I always thought that a leftist tactic.

;-)


359 posted on 06/09/2013 5:15:11 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

What’s the matter with you? Everyone knows that the definition of leftist is someone who hasn’t swallowed the Confederate cause hook, line and sinker. </sarcasm>


360 posted on 06/09/2013 5:17:06 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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