Posted on 09/01/2012 7:28:34 PM PDT by lasereye
No God hasn’t deceived us. I don’t know what you mean by “beyond what I seem to believe”.
Uh no. That's nonsense.
That does not come from evolutionary theory; that is probability theory and the Law of Large Numbers. And it is correct. Given enough time, a monkey striking random keys on a keyboard will produce War and Peace or some other recognizable piece of literature. Sure, it might take billions upon billions upon billions of years, but eventually it would happen *by pure chance* because, with a finite alphabet of 26 letters (English), the number of permutations of letters you can type out on, say, 1000 pages is also finite.
Sorry for the ramble; I love probability theory.
On this point we agree.
Here is the problem with this so called creation science. It starts off with an arbitrary claim and treats it as an irreducible primary. It then goes out and tries to find evidence to validate the arbitrary claim while ignoring any evidence that contradicts the claim. Science, at least valid science, starts with the axiom that existence exists and seeks to validate all subsequent knowledge with logic. By the nature of the Universe a contradiction can not exist. There have been countless measurements made of the age of the universe and the Earth through multiple methods using half lives of radioactive elements as well as distance measurements and the speed of light, which has been proven over and over again. Please explain how this theory of yours invalidates all of those previous measurements. I would love to see an astrophysicist weigh in on this.
What reason is there to believe that the speed of light was once different?
What reason is there to believe that it was always the same?
Were you around to observe it?
So, no, it's not correct.
The fact that I was not around to observe it is not evidence that it was different at one time. Your question amounts to the demand that I prove it didn’t happen. I can not and will not attempt to prove a negative. Again what evidence is there that the speed of light is variable? I would like a direct answer please.
General Relativity.
What have you got?
I was not able to take a picture. With the naked eye, it looks like a star flashing different colors- red, green, white and blue. Through binoculars, it was well defined It was stationary for about 50 minutes and then dropped below the tree line. Through binoculars, I could see it morphing into different shapes, like an amoeba. It is gone now.
Two commercial pilots were here and saw it - they have about 80 years of flying experience between the two of them. They stated that they had absolutely no idea as to what that could be, had never seen anything like it (lots of international flying experience) and it definitely wasn’t a planet or a star.
He has faith. You can not argue with faith. It has a blank check on reality.
If you want to nitpick, then instead of a monkey, make it a computer program that randomly generates letters, giving equal likelihood to all letters. No more clash with your law of entropy.
Do you really dispute the mathematical theory behind this?
I was simply pointing out an obvious unknown in the equation. A huge one.
Truly sad.
A huge gap in my knowledge, since I've only been around for about half a century.
And you've got a theory.
As a person of the Lutheran faith, I accept the tenant that “In the beginning God created the heavens and earth”. However, I often ask ‘Where did God come from and what was it like before He made these entities’.
But it is not an unknown. Unless you claim that we can not know anything. Prove it. Prove that man’s consciousness is invalid. Prove that logic is invalid. Again what evidence do you have for your arbitrary claim that the speed of light is variable?
Problem is that with a computer, you have introduced into the equation the element of intelligence (however artificial) so I must ask, are you sure you want to go down this path?
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