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New book claims Fidel Castro knew about Kennedy assassination plot beforehand
NY Daily News ^ | March 18, 2012 | Philip Caulfield

Posted on 03/18/2012 11:59:30 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: kjo

I don’t believe the conspiracy theories beyond, maybe Oswald wasn’t the shooter in the window. But, no doubt that the window in the Depository was the spot. After that, it’s just too easy for a reasonably competent shooter to kill him from that window. The head shot was to a certain degree the shooter getting one last round off before the limo got too far out of range, and a certain degree of “chance” that he happened to blow Kennedy’s head off.


61 posted on 03/18/2012 3:29:51 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The best marksmen in the world couldn’t make the shots that Oswald supposedly made on Kennedy. That was proven long ago.

Just because someone says they were the best doesn't mean it's true.

Using a scoped, bolt action rifle, I once shot 3 times at a deer that was running away from me through a timber cut field. One hit by itself was fatal requiring no tracking, one hit by itself would have meant tracking it for some distance but would eventually have been fatal. One hit by itself was a minor flesh wound he would have quickly recovered from.

Unlike that buck bouncing through brush, the target profile presented by JFK was essentially stationary.

62 posted on 03/18/2012 3:32:44 PM PDT by fso301
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To: kjo
Fact: Those shots have never been duplicated in the 6,7 second timeframe on a moving target; the FBI tried for years.

I did it in possibly less than half that time on a deer running away from me across a rough timber cut field using a cheap scoped bolt action. My shots were much more difficult than those Oswald had to make.

63 posted on 03/18/2012 3:46:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Oztrich Boy

I’ve heard the same story about the M-C...slug the bore to get the true diameter, and “tune” your ammo to suit it (even if it just means sorting and checking diameters of bullets on issue ammo with a mike) and the Mannlicher-Carcano can do very well.

Am I saying that that’s what Oswald did? No...only that even a “POS” rifle can be a tack driver if the stars all align right. And Oswald wasn’t using wartime Italian ammunition...he was using American commercial ammo.

Regarding the backspray of blood when Kennedy was shot...hasn’t it been reported that he was wearing a backbrace that day, which limited his movement?

Biggest issue I have with the idea of Kennedy’s assassination being some sort of “conspiracy”...if this was organized by a group with any sense of planning, why would Oswald have been “allowed” or “enabled” to be captured? Why not have the assassin disappear, leaving no evidence behind...or if a name and face were to be supplied, why not have the “assassin” conveniently killed before capture? For that matter, if it was the work of a conspiracy, why have either the President or assassin taken out in public view?

To leave a triggerman behind, alive and spewing inconvenient claims, reeks of either incredibly bad planning or “failure to think things through”. And that latter element—the lack of planning beyond the “I’M GONNA BE SOMEBODY!” moment—makes me think the events in Dealey Plaza were the work of one loser, a self-declared Marxist True Believer, who had attached himself to the Cuban cause after being disillusioned by the Soviet Union, and sought to make a name for himself by lashing out on its behalf.


64 posted on 03/18/2012 3:47:48 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: fso301

From the book depository Kennedy was a moving target. They actually had marksmen try and hit a Kennedy dummy in the 8.4 seconds that it took to get three shots off from that angle. Can’t be done.

You might be the best marksman in the world if you think you can pull it off.


65 posted on 03/18/2012 4:16:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
From the book depository Kennedy was a moving target. They actually had marksmen try and hit a Kennedy dummy in the 8.4 seconds that it took to get three shots off from that angle. Can’t be done.

They weren't very good marksmen if they couldn't do it.

You might be the best marksman in the world if you think you can pull it off.

I could have pulled it off no problem. Thanks for the compliment but you are greatly overestimating the skill required.

I suggest you read about the "mad minute"; 15 hits from a bolt action onto a 12" round target at 300 yds within one minute. The "mad minute" was done using open sights on a rifle that weighed well over a pound more than the 6.5mm Carcano M91/38 used by Oswald. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_minute.

And remember, the distance from the window of the book depository to JFK's moving vehicle ranged from ~50 yds for the first shot to ~85yds on the final shot.

66 posted on 03/18/2012 4:44:32 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

While hitting a moving target?


67 posted on 03/18/2012 4:46:54 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
While hitting a moving target?

The target, JFK in this case was slowly moving away from the shooters position. Based on my understanding of the events, JFK would have presented Oswald with a target that was slowly shrinking while moving slightly upward and to the right in a straight, predictable line.

Oswald had all the time to make the first shot, remember, the clock starts with his first shot. Oswald fires the first shot, reloads and aims just ahead of where he predicts the target will be and fires when the target moves into his sight picture. He repeats the process for the third shot.

68 posted on 03/18/2012 5:02:36 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Fidel Castro knew about Lee Harvey Oswald's plot to assassinate President John F. Kennedy and did nothing to stop it.

I'm shocked!


69 posted on 03/18/2012 5:06:17 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: fso301

You’d think this was a liberal website with the STUNNING lack of gun knowledge displayed. Notice the last response to your post. “While hitting a moving target?” Amazing. At 85 yards with a rested rifle and a seated shooter and a scope????? What kind of GD fool thinks this is an “impossible” shot. Not only is it not impossible, it’s easier than falling out of bed. Again, is this FR, where people are supposed to know a thing or two about guns? Also, as I pointed out earlier, when a target is moving toward your or away from you, as opposed to left and right, it’s not even considered to be moving.

Here’s another thing — the clock starts a millisecond AFTER the first bullet is fired. AFTER. That means Lee had 6.7 seconds to get off TWO shots, not three.


70 posted on 03/18/2012 5:09:31 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I’ve been at the scene of the crime. Oswald was practically on top off Kennedy when he made his shots. The best marksmen in the world could easily do it with iron sights. Oswald used a scope.


71 posted on 03/18/2012 5:42:56 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Mannlicher-Carcano not being accurate shows a lack of knowledge about firearms. Shooters are still using this rifle on ranges all around the country and getting solid hits. This is with rifles that are a least 50 years older than the one Oswald used. I use a 1917 SMLE, 95 years old, and it still hits the black at 100 yards no problem. Oswald was shooting half the distance.


72 posted on 03/18/2012 6:00:16 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Doctor 2Brains
You’d think this was a liberal website with the STUNNING lack of gun knowledge displayed. Notice the last response to your post. “While hitting a moving target?”

Well, not everyone can be knowledgeable on all topics.

At 85 yards with a rested rifle and a seated shooter and a scope????? What kind of GD fool thinks this is an “impossible” shot.

Cut the guy some slack. I appreciate the many times Freepers have lent their knowledge to patiently educate me on various topics over the years for which I either had no prior knowledge or flawed knowledge.

Not only is it not impossible, it’s easier than falling out of bed.

I agree.

Again, is this FR, where people are supposed to know a thing or two about guns?

Evidently, it's a larger tent than we assumed.

Also, as I pointed out earlier, when a target is moving toward your or away from you, as opposed to left and right, it’s not even considered to be moving.

True but a minor technicality is that if shooting down at a target that is moving away from you on a flat surface, the target will appear to be slowly shrinking AND moving upward. You obviously know that but I point it out for the benefit of others who may be following this thread.

Since the road had a slight bend in it and also had a slight hill, depending on where JFK was between two points in time, he may have as you said presented a stationary AND slowly shrinking target, or one that was slowly shrinking AND moving slightly on a very predictable path. I used worst case of a target slowly shrinking and moving slightly on a very predictable path... an easy shot.

Here’s another thing — the clock starts a millisecond AFTER the first bullet is fired. AFTER. That means Lee had 6.7 seconds to get off TWO shots, not three.

Yes, I understand that. I previously pointed it out as well but it bears worth repeating.

73 posted on 03/18/2012 6:03:27 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

You are patient... and correct.


74 posted on 03/18/2012 6:29:47 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: danamco
"If you want to know the REAL truth go and check out the one hour interview with LBJ’s mistress with who he fathered a son!!!"

Nope. Just another in a list of crackpots.

75 posted on 03/18/2012 6:41:32 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Was this the plan, where you had the three shooters and set up Oswald as the patsy? The shooters + spotters were taken away down to Mexico and then killed on the theory that dead men tell no tales.


76 posted on 03/18/2012 7:30:20 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: fso301
Based on my understanding of the events, JFK would have presented Oswald with a target that was slowly shrinking while moving slightly upward and to the right in a straight, predictable line.

"Forward and to the right! Forward and to the right!"

OK seriously, that's where the "inaccurate sights" were throwing the bullets. If LHO knew where the sights were puttimg the bullets, he has a gift - NO CORRECTIONS: Aim where you want the bullets to go, and the motion of JFK's car will take him into them. (the offset was only a couple of inches anyway)

77 posted on 03/18/2012 9:39:12 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: mlo

Have YOU seen/heard the whole interview???


78 posted on 03/19/2012 7:43:13 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

Anyone can give an interview. The fact is there have been a whole lot of people that have given entirely made up stories about the JFK assassination. You can’t take anything seriously unless there’s hard evidence. Interviews with someone claiming involvement or knowledge, without evidence to back them up, are worthless.

Madeleine Brown is no different. See: http://dperry1943.com/browns.html


79 posted on 03/19/2012 7:55:35 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Mr. K
"there is no way you can convince me the head shot did not come from the grassy knoll"

Finally, I found the other person in the US that believes that.

Some people saw smoke from the area, etc. that was never truly investivated.
OK, let's not open that again.

80 posted on 03/19/2012 8:11:56 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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