How Mammoths Lost The Extinction Lottery

Nature ^ | November 2, 2011 | Ewen Callaway

[Publius6961]

Another complex and sophisticated, but nevertheless spurious GIGO exercise.
Garbage In, Garbage Out...

[CT]

Try the flooding of Lake Missoula and creation of the Columbia Gorge as one reason the Columbia wooly mamoth may have been wiped out. That was one epic (actually several) flood. Sixty MPH, and 200+ feet above current river levels. Boulders so large they were carried to the Oregon Coast Range.

[Ramius]

I wouldn’t be surprised. There’s an astonishing amount of mammoth ivory raw material available. Especially now that other forms of ivory are largely illegal, and mammoth tusks keep being found all over the artic in the U.S., Canada and Russia... It may not be exactly plentiful, but it is available. If you want a set of mammoth ivory grips for your Colt 1911... They can be found without much trouble.

The big difference is the quality of the ivory. Most of the mammoth ivory is yellowed, or has harsh grain, stains, and lots of marking in it. Dark stripes from cracks are common. What attracted me to the knife was the pure white ivory. In mammoth ivory I’ve seen, that’s fairly uncommon. That tells me they had a pretty special sample from which to make their handles.

[Ramius]

Are you talking about the flood from the break of the ice dam? If you’ve ever been to “dry falls” in WA, they figure that the canyon downstream of dry falls was formed all at once... Maybe a period of three or so DAYS, after the ice dam finally broke.

Amazing stuff.

[martin_fierro]

Chunky Soup indeed.

[EEGator]

It sounds like a pretty sweet knife.

[PIF]

There are two theoretical possibilities for flash freezing 6-10 ton beasties:

Velokovski's close approach of the protoplanet Venus (He correctly predicted both the temperature and composition of Venus’ atmosphere before any probes were sent. The prevailing view at that time was that Venus was a warmer version of Earth).

and;

The Northern Ice Cap had massive freshwater lakes - think the Great Lakes super sized - which collapsed into the warmer oceans sending water vapor into the stratosphere, which then fell back to Earth supercooled, flash freezing the beasts.

Theories abound, but none can be verified, currently.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

That didn’t work, but I love that page already.

[SunkenCiv]

from “Earth in Upheaval” (p 3)

High in the north above Siberia, six hundred miles inside the Polar Circle, in the Arctic Ocean, lie the Liakhov Islands. Liakhov was a hunter who, in the days of Catherine II, ventured to these islands and brought back the report that they abounded in mammoths’ bones. “Such was the enormous quantity of mammoths’ remains that it seemed . . . that the island was actually composed of the bones and tusks of elephants, cemented together by icy sand.” 3

The New Siberian Islands, discovered in 1805 and 1806, as well as the islands of Stolbovoi and Belkov to the west, present the same picture. “The soil of these desolate islands is absolutely packed full of the bones of elephants and rhinoceroses in astonishing numbers.” 4

[PIF]

Yeah, read most everything Velokovski wrote, but thanks.

[martin_fierro]

How you like me NOW.

[SunkenCiv]

This could be a good Catastrophism list ping as well, so, thanks. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

$10 a can, not bad.

[PIF]

Ping me for both, and you are welcome!

[wildbill]

saw a show on cable the other day that posited a theory I hadn’t heard before.

The climte change enabled many different species and related members of similar species to wander onto territories where they had not previously existed.

This intermingling esposed them to germs to which they had not previously been exposed, killing whole populations of larger species from disease.

[SunkenCiv]

That’s a nice story, but there’s no discernable evidence of a disease in the last mammoths. There is however evidence for sudden extinction. Yes, there were some isolated populations (dwarfed) which persisted until perhaps 2000 years ago, and the Earth can only show one face to the incoming space crud which was found embedded in the tusks of the last North American mammoths. :’)

[Sawdring]

My folks just gave my son a book called "Dinosaurs for Kids," a creationist theory about how dinosaurs lived and eventually died out. My boy is five and I don't want to have to explain to him the mental gymnastics this author has to do to come up with his theories. There is even a picture of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden with an apple and surrounded by dinosaurs.

[SunkenCiv]

There are other dino books he could also enjoy. :’)

[KamperKen]

This is Robert Bakker’s theory in his 1985 book “The Dinosaur Heresies”. Bakker notes that the mass extinctions at the end of the Cretaceous period did not occur at once but over a period of several million years.

Bakker speculated that because of continental drift historically isolated populations came into contact and thus succumbed to new diseases.

It’s not surprising that the climate change doomsayers borrowed his theory.