Posted on 10/28/2011 10:59:24 PM PDT by Kevmo
“By the way, here is a current survey of all the companies that are bringing LENR to commercialization:”
That’s a bit of a stretch since the three companies are actually doing testing to produce a workable model that MAY come to the market in several years IF it can be perfected and IF someone is willing to fund it.
Look up, see the title of the thread way up there.
“Look up, see the title of the thread way up there.”
The thread is about E-Cat. The author of the article can call it cold fusion if he wants, but I don’t think Rossi has described it as such.
The inventor claims nickle plus hydrogen combines via a low energy nuclear reaction leaving copper as the ash, what else would you like to call it.
I’m not saying he can do it, but that is what we are discussing here.
We got nothing from the space program that we couldn’t have gotten for 1% of what we paid.
>> “Some on FR take the approach that we must take Rossi at his word and that the burden of debunking his demonstrations is on the skeptics” <<
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Since none of us is providing any investment in this, it matters little how we perceive Rossi. The burden of examining his device, and demonstrations lies with those willing and able to invest therein.
This has always been the case with innovation, until the government steps in to poison the pot.
That's actually a summary of a Network World column. The person who wrote it has a blog on the Forbes website.
You're turning things around. The only burden the investors have is TO INVEST. The burden to prove innovation will still be with Rossi.
Just as Keely did with his Keely Motor Company, Rossi may be able to find investors who are unwilling or unable to determine whether the device is real or not.
Even those who defend Rossi seem to recognize that having a 500 kw generator set running during the entire demonstration of a self-sustaining 470 kw output is at least worthy of comment.
Perhaps it will take years to uncover the truth. It may well be that the most entertaining comment at the time will be, "What were they thinking by allowing a running generator right next to the container?"
If that were to happen, what would your response be to that question? How is it not laughable to have that generator running?
“How is it not laughable to have that generator running?”
Actually, the generator set supplying the power makes it easier to verify. You have a better opportunity to measure input power by fuel usage.
The Vorts have a good explanation for this...
[Vo]:Why Rossi Insists on the 1MW plant
Steve Kearns
Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:27:41 -0700
The answer is clear if you look at his most recent failure. He came up with a
device for doing thermoelectric conversion(waste heat to electricity) at a much
better efficiency thanwas available. Even though it was verified by
outsiders, it turned out to beimpossible to scale up to industrially useful
size... theefficiency sank to useless levels when he attempted to make larger
versions. So he learned the hard way that you can have a demotechnology that
can mysteriously stop working when you attempt to scale it to industrial
levels.
Why should we believe he has a commercially viable product?
***Because he sold it to a customer. If he staged the whole event then he won’t have money in his pocket to build more of these. There is only one missing element that makes this inductive issue a deductive one — the customer has not stepped up. Once that happens, you no longer have any leg to stand on, seagull.
We’ve had plenty of “non-believers” on these threads, they remain skeptical and ask questions and that’s that. No one calls them seagulls until they start doing what seagulls do.
The term “demonstration” in this context simply means an elaborate choreographed parlor trick to scare up more money.
***The only thing missing in this beautiful scenario that you’ve developed is evidence. Produce it.
Did you read the LINK I referenced earlier in this thread?
***No.
It’s a very interesting story,
***Not interesting enough for me to click on it.
Well, he is.
It comes from the fact that there have been a whole bunch of seagulls visiting these threads and doing their ‘business’ and pretending like that’s a worthwhile thing.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQa7Gz5EV9Cg0rfwKph9wJA6AtH8umQVLqfUOSVZBEPCxLI9lJW5GB05yU
I would be really disappointed if the scam was that amateurish. My guess would be some sort of consumable intended to last for a day or so. If I was representing the buyer, I’d tell Rossi, “okay, now don’t touch it, let it run continuously for the next four weeks, and oh, by the way, we’ll have rotating crews watching it 24/7 to ensure there’s no tampering going on.”
You mean like starting each thread with a reference to seagulls, then continuing to use that meme throughout the thread. You mean that sort of “posting over and over”?
***Hey, I have offered to post what the skeptics want known about Rossi in each thread, and the offer was met with silence. The reason why the seagulls are here is not to make sure the information gets out. It is to harrass. Some of the seagulls have admitted to being entertainment trolls. Some have admitted to trying to squelch discussion. Some are just jerks and we all know it.
Like DoughtyOne said, all the patience of a 3 year old who has heard the word Ice Cream.
then we’ll talk.
***Then why are you talking now? Isn’t it obvious to you that this technology is not at the point you would prefer it to be? There’s such a high duhh factor to that perspective that it begs the question of why you would be hovering over such a thread in the first place.
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