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Population genetics reveals shared ancestries
Harvard Medical School ^ | May 24, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 05/24/2011 1:06:30 PM PDT by decimon

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1 posted on 05/24/2011 1:06:33 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv; SJackson

Rolloff ping.


2 posted on 05/24/2011 1:08:41 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
The markings and patterns of common ancestry we see in all people is also seen in all dogs, a creature of known common ancestry with the wolf.

The same pattern is seen among all primates, all felines, all canids, all ursine, etc, etc.

3 posted on 05/24/2011 1:11:50 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: decimon

2011 - 1600 years is the time period of 400 to 500 AD. That would make it during the transition period from Romand Emprie to Tolosa, Italia, and Eastern Roma. It is also the time of the Vandals

In 429 Vandals cross out of the Iberaian pensula to Roman North Africa

In 439 Carthage (North Africa) falls to the Vandal who in the next year, capture Sicily

In 455 the Vandals enter Rome itself and plunder the city for two weeks.

Since raping and pillaging were considered part of the “spoils of war”, it is very logical that the Vandals were responsible for this genitic migration.


4 posted on 05/24/2011 1:28:02 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: decimon

“Modern southern European groups can attribute about 1 to 3 percent of their genetic signature to African ancestry, “

About the same as most Europeans have of Neanderthal genes.


5 posted on 05/24/2011 1:36:55 PM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
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To: taxcontrol

The Vandals were originally from southern Scandinavia like the Goths, but by way of Central Europe, Italy, Iberia and lastly North Africa where Belisarius ended their career.


6 posted on 05/24/2011 1:38:45 PM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
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To: decimon
There were some black slaves in the Roman Empire...alongside more numerous white slaves. Over time descendants of the black slaves may have intermarried with the other population groups in the Roman Empire.

Before the Sahara became as dry as it is now, there were people living there--possibly some of the connections date back to a time when there was continuous human habitation from West Africa to North Africa and the chance for shared DNA traits to be found on both sides of what is now a desert.

7 posted on 05/24/2011 1:42:32 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: decimon
Modern science tells us quite a bit more about living things. Steve Jones, for instance, in his book "Darwin's Ghost," tells us on page 284 that ...

About a thousand genes are shared by every organism, however simple or complicated. Although their common ancestor must haved lived more than a billion years ago, their shared structure can still be glimpsed. It shows how the grand plan of life has been modified through the course of evolution.

8 posted on 05/24/2011 1:43:54 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: decimon

Does all this mean that Obama IS related to Ted Kennedy after all?


9 posted on 05/24/2011 1:46:32 PM PDT by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting and lying to me.)
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To: decimon

Language (etymology) is the best indicator of permanent ‘influence’ on a civilization. Genes simply identify which women were confiscated as the ‘spoils of war’.


10 posted on 05/24/2011 1:46:51 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: donhunt
Does all this mean that Obama IS related to Ted Kennedy after all?

Obama is Irish. Kennedy is Scotch (and Gin)

11 posted on 05/24/2011 1:52:20 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: decimon

Human populations are all very closely related, with the differences largely superficial. We are one people. But, we are not one culture. The cultural differences are vast and stark. Moreover, contrary to what the multiculturalists would have us believe, cultures can be clearly distinguished one from the other and can easily be classified into successful and dysfunctional buckets.


12 posted on 05/24/2011 1:56:44 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: sodpoodle

Don;t agree that language gauges anything. Anyone can learn any language. You can’t change your genes though. Languages mark who was in charge at the time.


13 posted on 05/24/2011 2:30:23 PM PDT by JeanLM
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To: OldNavyVet
"Steve Jones, for instance, in his book "Darwin's Ghost," tells us on page 284 that ...

"About a thousand genes are shared by every organism, however simple or complicated. Although their common ancestor must haved lived more than a billion years ago, their shared structure can still be glimpsed. It shows how the grand plan of life has been modified through the course of evolution."

All it really shows is that the fallacies of 'begging the question' and 'affirming the consequent' have dominated the discipline formerly known as science.

14 posted on 05/24/2011 2:36:51 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: sodpoodle
I think language is an interesting parallel to evolution.

It is obvious that what is now several independent languages (or populations) were once one language (or population).

When isolated, small changes accumulated (in language or DNA) until there was a noticeable difference between regions - and eventually the different groups could no longer communicate (or reproduce fertile offspring) together.

There was no point where Latin suddenly became Italian. And no Latin speaker had to give birth to an Italian speaker in one generation - or two born to the same Latin populations so that they would have someone to communicate (reproduce) with.

A continuum of small accumulating changes in what was once one thing - and now you have several distinct things that are obviously not the same.

15 posted on 05/24/2011 2:39:21 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: sodpoodle

“Language (etymology) is the best indicator of permanent ‘influence’ on a civilization.”

Not “best” but rather just one of several.


16 posted on 05/24/2011 2:41:57 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: sodpoodle

I agree, but with a quibble — genes don’t even do that much. Genes and chromosomes are accidental survivors. Looking at the modern samples can, at best, reveal what genes are around today. That’s it. Ethnic groups have an (accidentally selected) ancestral pool that’s smaller, which means the chromosomes passed down are themselves pooled. Just because some oddball now-rare snippet of DNA is found in someone with no known connection to a group where it’s not rare doesn’t mean that the ethnic group is somehow among ones ancestors. Where the genetic evidence matches the paper trail, then yes. Otherwise, no, probably not.


17 posted on 05/24/2011 3:33:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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18 posted on 05/24/2011 3:36:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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19 posted on 05/24/2011 3:46:57 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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“genes don't even do that much”

Yeah, other than contain the proper elements to create an open reading frame to produce a functional mRNA in the proper cellular contexts - DNA doesn't do much.

And that mRNA doesn't do much - other than have all the information needed on how to make a functional protein.

And that functional protein - it doesn't do much. Usually just one or two small biochemical functions.

But together...... DNA -> RNA -> Protein.

That is what is going on in the cell. It does EVERYTHING.

20 posted on 05/24/2011 3:57:13 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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