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D-Day historian: 'Ryan' not best war film
CNN ^ | 11/11/2009 | Matthew Carey

Posted on 11/11/2009 5:34:19 AM PST by Saije

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To: wordsofearnest
I wish their would be another first class movie about the “Battle of the Bulge”.

I watched the 60's "Battle of the Bulge" movie with my grandfather. He had actually seen it in the original, real-time version. ;-)

Anyhoo, I asked Grandpa what he thought when it was over. He said - keep in mind that he'd never say anything bad about anything - "It was a fine movie, but no one looked cold enough".

Dad has a picture of Grandpa and his driver, standing waist deep in the snow, in the Ardennes. Both of them have huge smiles on their faces, and I always wondered what they had to smile about.

61 posted on 11/11/2009 6:32:05 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

They were alive.


62 posted on 11/11/2009 6:36:10 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Saije

63 posted on 11/11/2009 6:36:48 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: wbill
Both of them have huge smiles on their faces, and I always wondered what they had to smile about.

They were alive.

Sometimes, that's enough.

64 posted on 11/11/2009 6:37:00 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Saije

I must agree, Patton is my favorite followed by The Big Red One. Thank you to all the Veterans that read this.


65 posted on 11/11/2009 6:37:29 AM PST by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: Saije
He admires the famed Omaha Beach opening -- "Probably the most realistic battle sequence ever filmed," he said -- but described the rest of "Saving Private Ryan" as "ghastly."

Couldn't agree more. It's a great opening to a painfully average film. Saving Private Ryan wasn't even the best WWII film from the Summer of 1998, let alone of all time.

66 posted on 11/11/2009 6:39:45 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Saije
The writer is spot-on. Read William Goldman's takedown of the awful Private Ryan.

Technically excellent, but just a terrible story, phony and sappy--from the "Irony!" of the Hanks character's killer, to the wimp-becomes-man (as a combat vet told me, "Doesn't happen."), to the ridiculous idea that because Damon says he's staying, Hanks stays...

Dreadful movie.

67 posted on 11/11/2009 6:42:29 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Godspeed, T, on your fourth tour of duty in Iraq.)
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To: wbill
"The Thin Red Line" was completely unwatchable

Different strokes. I think it's one of the finest films of any genre ever made.

68 posted on 11/11/2009 6:44:18 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Eagle Eye

I read the Richard Tregaskis book when I was young and had the opportunity to meet his son.


69 posted on 11/11/2009 6:46:54 AM PST by Rocinante
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I didn't see either "Thin Red Line" or "Ryan" in the theater.

I saw "Ryan" first (on HBO), and really enjoyed it, so I went out and picked up "Thin Red Line"....which - IMHO - is a completely different movie, in every single respect.

If I had seen them in a different order, it's possible I'd feel differently. That, and with having relatives who were in the ETO, I've got more interest (a connection?) there than with the Pacific Theater.

However, I will say that you're the first guy I've chatted with that liked it. Different strokes, as you say.

70 posted on 11/11/2009 6:52:10 AM PST by wbill
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To: The Louiswu
No no -- this is a thread about macho man Tom Hanks...
71 posted on 11/11/2009 6:53:46 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

The Fighting Sullivans


72 posted on 11/11/2009 6:54:32 AM PST by advertising guy (Consumer Of Confiscated Liquers Czar)
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To: dirtboy

If you liked the movie, you should read the book it was partially based on, “War Of The Rats”


73 posted on 11/11/2009 7:00:11 AM PST by Roccus (My anger is manufactured.......................................in the WHITE HOUSE and CONGRESS!!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I thought Gallipoli with Mel Gibson was a pretty good pic.


74 posted on 11/11/2009 7:01:49 AM PST by Man from Oz
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To: Saije
Films like 'The Longest Day' and 'Saving Private Ryan' almost give the impression that D-Day was 'it' and then the next thing people know about was the liberation of Paris...

I normally have great respect for Beevor (witness his Stalingrad), but here he just makes himself sound like an idiot.

As for the best film made about WWII, currently it is Band of Brothers: all the great production value of Ryan without the angst and cynicism...oh, and based on the experiences of real men.

Capt. Winters should get his Congressional Medal of Honor already, before it has to be accepted posthumously on his behalf.

75 posted on 11/11/2009 7:01:50 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: SJSAMPLE; Huebolt
The school teacher “twist” was one of the more realistic and humanizing parts of the movie. Just an average guy, like 99.99% of those who served.

I agree entirely. The schoolteacher was the perfect choice, because he's an educated person and can thus engage the sympathies of educated viewers, but he's still middle-class like most of us. Shows us that any one of us could find ourselves in the same nightmare situation he was in.

76 posted on 11/11/2009 7:01:53 AM PST by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Or how about the more recent, “Stalingrad”.

Makes a great German-language double feature with Der Untergang.

77 posted on 11/11/2009 7:04:20 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: myself6
Enough with the negative waves...

Huh?

78 posted on 11/11/2009 7:06:51 AM PST by manic4organic (Obama shot hoops, America lost troops.)
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To: wbill

A lot of people didn’t know what to expect with “Thin Red Line”, especially because “Ryan” set the expectations (you’re not the only one who saw it first... everybody but Terrance Malick did). They are very, very different movies (aside from the fact that I think one is brilliant and the other is a cartoon).

I had a couple of friends who despised “Thin Red Line” after seeing it within a few weeks of “Ryan”. They went to see a war movie and got a “f***ing poem”. I implored them to sit down and watch it again, with adjusted expectations. One of them loved it the second time around, the other never made it past the first hour.

Oh well.


79 posted on 11/11/2009 7:08:26 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: dirtboy
Stalingrad and Enemy at the Gates make a great "Stalingrad" double-feature.

I love Bob Hoskins portrayal of Khrushchev, and his repetition of the expression "shitting his pants."

80 posted on 11/11/2009 7:08:54 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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