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'Big Wave' Theory Offers Alternative to Dark Energy
Space.com ^ | 8/18/09 | Clara Moskowitz

Posted on 08/19/2009 11:03:17 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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1 posted on 08/19/2009 11:03:18 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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Of course, this has been mine personal position for years. It’s finally nice to see the scientific community getting on board.
[mattdono darts eyes left and right]


2 posted on 08/19/2009 11:06:03 AM PDT by mattdono (The platform I want: Stop spending my money. Stop sending my money. Stop taking my money.)
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mine = my
(I guess a joke is better when you *actually* TYPE CORRECTLY!)


3 posted on 08/19/2009 11:06:46 AM PDT by mattdono (The platform I want: Stop spending my money. Stop sending my money. Stop taking my money.)
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To: LibWhacker

Actually this is an intriguing idea - anything that gets rid of Dark Matter or Dark Energy in our model of the universe is a plus. So I kind of like it.


4 posted on 08/19/2009 11:10:12 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: LibWhacker
One potential issue with this idea is that it might require a big coincidence.

One man's coincidence is another's plan.

5 posted on 08/19/2009 11:10:23 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: mattdono
I'm going with 'wave of dark energy' as a union of the two theories.

The more you know, the more you realize how little you know.

6 posted on 08/19/2009 11:16:10 AM PDT by existtoexcel
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To: LibWhacker

Atheists and Darwinians build their views on faith, not scientifically verifiable evidence. Dark energy and dark matter are leaps of faith, for there is no scientific evidence that these actually exist. Now we are to believe that what we thought that we were seeing and measuring were not real, but only illusions. There goes the whole theory of verificationism. It turns out that empiricalism is an illusion. Maybe Hume was right in that cause and effect are illusions, too. If so, then science is a religion based upon unverifiable faith.


7 posted on 08/19/2009 11:17:40 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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The paper for those so inclined :

A one parameter family of expanding wave solutions of the Einstein equations that induces an anomalous acceleration into the Standard Model of Cosmology

(I do not understand a single word, but I know from previous articles that there are many in these parts who do.)

8 posted on 08/19/2009 11:19:36 AM PDT by Dahoser (The missus and I joined the NRA. Who says Obama can't inspire conservatives?)
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To: mattdono; LibWhacker

So dude,

The Milky Way is our surf board, and we’re just catching a wave?

Cool.


9 posted on 08/19/2009 11:20:17 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Gnarly, dude!


10 posted on 08/19/2009 11:20:36 AM PDT by mikrofon (Catch the Wave)
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So now it’s goodbye to “dark energy.” Do we have to say goodbye to “dark matter” too? Or does that stay?

Question for cosmologists. The expanding wave is a wave of WHAT?
Don’t say “spacetime” because space is what you have when you remove all matter,
and time is assigning numbers to the motion of bodies, so “spacetime” does not refer to any reality.

I never did like the big bang + expanding universe + dark matter story. I like this one better, but in 50 years they will find that it too is not the answer.


11 posted on 08/19/2009 11:23:39 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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Woww. Far out, man!


12 posted on 08/19/2009 11:25:13 AM PDT by mattdono (The platform I want: Stop spending my money. Stop sending my money. Stop taking my money.)
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To: InterceptPoint; mattdono

Ditto! I never bought into the imaginary dark matter an energy. That this new theory fits Einstein’s equations gives it a solid foundation.


13 posted on 08/19/2009 11:27:59 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Nosterrex
Atheists and Darwinians build their views on faith, not scientifically verifiable evidence. Dark energy and dark matter are leaps of faith, for there is no scientific evidence that these actually exist. Now we are to believe that what we thought that we were seeing and measuring were not real, but only illusions. There goes the whole theory of verificationism. It turns out that empiricalism is an illusion. Maybe Hume was right in that cause and effect are illusions, too. If so, then science is a religion based upon unverifiable faith.

Yes Dark Energy and Dark Matter are, at this point, leaps of faith. But the search continues and may bare fruit. Who knows. But it is the reason that I don't like DM an DE. But that would change if someone can put meat on the bones.

OTOH, the wave theory in no way destroys the scientific method. It makes predictions that are verifiable and it can be proven wrong by experiment. That satisfies the basic elements of a scientific theory. In fact it makes it superior to string "theory" which can do neither. Empiricism is not an illusion and this theory isn't going to make it so. Nice try but you are just dead wrong on this one.

14 posted on 08/19/2009 11:31:02 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: LibWhacker

So Dark Energy goes the way of aether?


15 posted on 08/19/2009 11:31:26 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
"So now it’s goodbye to “dark energy.” Do we have to say goodbye to “dark matter” too? Or does that stay?"

I'd be happy if I could just say goodbye to Dark President. But not because of his color.

16 posted on 08/19/2009 11:31:57 AM PDT by DannyTN
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It isdefinitely time to do away with all that dark matter. My wife complains incessantly about it getting all over the carpet ever since it was theorized.


17 posted on 08/19/2009 11:34:41 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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I don't believe that I am wrong. The entire article deals with the basis of such theories concerning the expanding universe on hypotheses that have not proven to be true. Dark matter and dark energy are hypotheses that are driven by what astrophysicists have observed, namely, that the universe is not behaving as it should from their presuppositions or assumptions. It is similar to Einstein's coefficient which he “created” to make his equation fit. It doesn't add up, so we have to “create” something that makes our assumptions fit. The wave theory is well known, and it is a very useful model, but mathematics is a creation that is not bound to reality. You can prove things in mathematics that can't exist in the real world. The wave theory may turn out to explain what appears to be irrational behavior, but that at least to this date has not been proven. It is a matter of faith, an hypothesis, which is based upon the faith that current scientific presuppositions or ideologies are true.
18 posted on 08/19/2009 12:21:49 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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Soooooo does this mean you can only see the wave from the SHALLOW end of the pool?


19 posted on 08/19/2009 12:31:45 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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It is a matter of faith, an hypothesis, which is based upon the faith that current scientific presuppositions or ideologies are true.

You are just simply begging the question. There are really no "scientific truths". Science makes it's best guess, continues to look for holes in the basic assumptions and then proceeds to build fantastic gadgets based on the "unproven" or "unprovable" current theory. That's just the way science works. Ask Newton what he would think about Einstein's theories of gravity and motion. He would be surprised but not astonished.

20 posted on 08/19/2009 1:26:15 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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