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Secession and the Re-birth of America
Self | Friday April 17th 2009 | David Burgess

Posted on 04/16/2009 7:52:34 PM PDT by DCBurgess58

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I think it's time we began having a serious discussion about secession. Unlike the Confederacy, which was an agrarian economy taking on the Industrialized north, the red states would be far more sustainable than the blue states. They would have New England/New York/New Jersy/a few rust belt states, Illinois and the left coast. We would have everything else. Okay fellow FReepers, your thoughts?
1 posted on 04/16/2009 7:52:34 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: DCBurgess58

The red state blue state model doesn’t work. Most blue states are mostly red. Here in Michigan democrats only regularly win 10 or so of our 83 counties.


2 posted on 04/16/2009 7:54:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: DCBurgess58

Wow, this really floors me. Talk of secession?

Then again, I never ever thought we would see the Soviet Union dissolve into a number of independent countries.

Hard to imagine the United States breaking up into different countries. But, there are distinct places in this country. There are key differences socially, culturally, politically, between the more conservative traditional areas of the country and the liberal places.

Stay tuned. We may be living through history.


3 posted on 04/16/2009 7:59:18 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: cripplecreek

it’s not a model, I’m suggesting that we get a real discussion going about secession, Michigan would be more than welcome to seceed or not, that is up to the American population. I’m just saying it’s time to start talking about it


4 posted on 04/16/2009 8:00:48 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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Anyone hear Jerry Rivers....I mean Geraldo tonight who called Perry a nut job? Geraldo, the man who made a point of constantly informing us how he sailed into dangerous waters with the Egyptian coast guard boarding his dingy( he'll hate his yacht being called a frigin dingy)He didn't admit he was rescued and left his crew to continue the voyage however). Geraldo is such a waste of intelligence. He wants open borders and a liberal America(as long as he can live like Tony Soprano in his mansion in Jersey) Give it up Jerry. you and Springer along with all your twits are on the way out.
5 posted on 04/16/2009 8:00:55 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin st)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Tell me Dilbert, would you support two America’s if you could live in the the one that was not gonna go bankrupt and was true to the founding father’s vision. Not some Liberals socialism fantasy version that they’ve been shoving down our throats?


6 posted on 04/16/2009 8:04:31 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: shadeaud

Texas seceeded from Mexico in 1836. I wonder if Geraldo thinks they were nut jobs for that? Were the Georgians nut jobs for seceeding fro the USSR?


7 posted on 04/16/2009 8:08:39 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: shadeaud

“I mean Geraldo tonight who called Perry a nut job?”

He (and the rest of the MSM) have NO CHOICE but to try to label Perry and other people talking about secession as kooks, as that is their only chance of keeping this movement from getting legs, and getting serious. We have to expect that reaction.

But the discussion has been started, and it’s not Ron Paul or Rush Limbaugh, instead it’s the Governor of the second most populous state in the country...they cannot put the genie back in the bottle...people (defined as taxpayers) in Texas are angry and now (finally) have a way to protest that cannot be ignored by the Elites.


8 posted on 04/16/2009 8:11:11 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: DCBurgess58

How would you even get something like that started? The minute you declared, you’d all the governments acronyms at your doorstep, assuming you had enough people interested enough to be considered threatening.

They have no problem being quick and decisive when it comes to things like Waco, Ruby Ridge, or that Mormon compound. How would you get through the first few weeks?


9 posted on 04/16/2009 8:11:11 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Militant fecundity personified.)
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To: DCBurgess58

if Texas succeeds, I will definitely move there. I have NO LOVE WHATSOEVER for the government of this country, or the idiots who elected it.


10 posted on 04/16/2009 8:11:52 PM PDT by chris37
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To: cripplecreek

You got it. We need to ensure that the splitup is along country lines and not state lines, to the extent possible. Basic reality is that no marriage this bad would last fifteen seconds and everybody knows it.


11 posted on 04/16/2009 8:14:53 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: LongElegantLegs

“They have no problem being quick and decisive when it comes to things like Waco, Ruby Ridge, or that Mormon compound. How would you get through the first few weeks?”

This is state of 23,000,000 people. It will not be so easy for the feds if they want to intimidate us. Their only hope would be what’s left of the military...and two thirds of those guys are from the South. The FBI, DEA, and others are real tough in small circumstances...but they are not anywhere near being an army.


12 posted on 04/16/2009 8:15:36 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: chris37
Do you mean secedes, or succeeds in seceding? Not to be the grammar police, but because alot of people would probably make the trip if Texas succeeded in seceding, but not many will leave their homes to make it happen.
13 posted on 04/16/2009 8:16:23 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Militant fecundity personified.)
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To: chris37

Texas is succeeding where other states are failing. We Texans are talking about seceding.


14 posted on 04/16/2009 8:18:22 PM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom)
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To: BobL

But how would you go about seperating? A statewide vote?
How would you get something like that on the ballot?


15 posted on 04/16/2009 8:19:11 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Militant fecundity personified.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

It gets started when the American people start talking about it. There’s no point in forming “an organisation”. When people all over the country start talking about it. An idea gains momentum.


16 posted on 04/16/2009 8:20:46 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: LongElegantLegs

Step 1 would be a commission to study the concept and figure out the details.

Step 2 would be statewide vote, similar to a constitutional amendment...no big deal.

Step 3 (assuming the vote passed), would be to begin negotiations.

Step 4 (hopefully) will be a peaceful separation. Texas gets its independence as an independent country, and the remaining US gets rid of their largest red state and gets to implement the European model essentially without opposition.


17 posted on 04/16/2009 8:23:45 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: shadeaud

I’m with you. Geraldo is an ignorant, shallow, empty man.
I wrote hannity an email and let him know how angry that
man made me tonight. I hope hannity will never let him on his show again and I personally believe he does not belong on Fox News and should be fired. I love Governor Perry!!!


18 posted on 04/16/2009 8:26:24 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: DCBurgess58

Hell here in IL we wish we could just secede from the money-sucking corruption pit that is Chicago! They can have the collar counties and all their toll roads, we’ll take the cornfields and cows and do just fine.

What’ll they do, trade us movies or derivates for some sacks of flour?


19 posted on 04/16/2009 8:26:24 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: flynmudd

Oh how witty, you spelling Nazi you...


20 posted on 04/16/2009 8:26:35 PM PDT by chris37
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