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Rap Music Originated in Medieval Scottish Pubs, Claims American Professor
The Telegraph ^ | 28 Dec 2008 | Simon Johnson

Posted on 12/29/2008 3:18:10 PM PST by nickcarraway

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"Flyting" isna rap!

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21 posted on 12/29/2008 5:47:15 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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I was scanning the comments to see if anybody brought up BR&WL.

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22 posted on 12/29/2008 5:56:07 PM PST by George Smiley (Palin is the real deal.)
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23 posted on 12/29/2008 6:33:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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24 posted on 12/29/2008 6:37:18 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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Here's a link... The Flyting of Dunbar and Kennedie

It needs a translator. I can't read drunken Scottish highlander.
25 posted on 12/29/2008 6:45:55 PM PST by JamesP81 (Let the Great RINO Hunt of 2009 begin)
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Striaght = Straight

Straight = STRAUCHT.

26 posted on 12/30/2008 8:41:29 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: nickcarraway

There may be something to this. I’ve said that there is a tradition of talking in rhythm over music in country music (whether it is Smoke The Cigarette, One Piece At A Time, The Hot Rod Race are only a few examples that come to mind).

And country/hillbilly music has its origins in the Southern Appalachian Mountains of North America.

I’ve also read that the roots of country music lie in the folk music that English, Irish, and Scottish settlers brought to America.

So there is a continuim that does not even need “slave owners/importers” to be considered a factor in this equation.


27 posted on 12/30/2008 1:11:54 PM PST by weegee ("Let Me Just Cut You Off, Because I Don't Want You To Waste Your Question" - B.Obama Dec 16, 2008)
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The whole bit about “insults” and vulgarity (in rhyme?) being the basis of rap is wrong.

That would be “the toast” which was the boast and pomp of pimps, who served as inspiration to modern rappers. But there were a number of other pimps who went into music as singers without incorporating that into their act.

Pimps would have spent time in jail and there could also be a whole jail culture for boasts, vulgarity, oneupsmanship, and style. Also the use of “hip” lingo to keep the man, or the boss (on the plantation) from knowing what you are talking about; even Lord Buckley, who was rapping in the 1940s and 1950s, explained this aspect.

Also, there is Cockney Rhyming Slang that again predates all of this.

Does one begat the other? Who knows. There may be a thing within man to speak in code and to bring a smile to the face of those who are hip to what he’s saying.


28 posted on 12/30/2008 1:18:40 PM PST by weegee ("Let Me Just Cut You Off, Because I Don't Want You To Waste Your Question" - B.Obama Dec 16, 2008)
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Much of the character of “Black” church music has its roots in Scotland. I have heard old recordings of church music from Presbyterian churches in remote areas of Scotland (places which had probably, at the time the recordings were made, had never been visited by a black or African person), and also many old recordings of black church music recorded in the deep South from the 1930’s to the 1960’s. In cases of a capella music, these were very similar.....so similar in their idiosyncracies, that the latter must have evolved from the former.


29 posted on 01/02/2009 5:35:02 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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30 posted on 01/02/2009 5:36:59 AM PST by sauropod (An expression of deep worry and concern failed to cross either of Zaphod's faces - hitchhiker's guid)
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A Glasgow kiss bump


31 posted on 11/22/2009 4:40:55 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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