The Obama birth certificate

[Doug TX]

They are gutless, money grubbing, and afraid of losing their mansions.

All they had to do was present the public information in a non biased manner. None of them could do it because they are ‘gutless’ as Mark Levin screamed today about some lesser topic.

[knarf]

Well, DAY AM!, girl .. why have I never heard nor read that before?

If what you say is true, we just have to sit on our hands and hope it goes our way?

Is there any reason to believe there's a sen and a rep and even the court will challenge all this?

Do I dare have hope?

[Coachm]

I thought of that but they’ll probably do that (Fairness Doctrine) anyway.

[Coachm]

Thanks for that info.

[Coachm]

Levin surprises me because he is always touting the Constitution and on it’s face, this issues seems to smack it right in the face.

I have listened to all his podcasts since July and the one time it was started to be brought up he silenced the caller and said he didn’t care about it. Struck me as kind of odd.

[CodeToad]

Excellent post. Thank you.

[mamelukesabre]

THat post is completely ridiculous. I think you should re-read what you replied to.

[CodeToad]

(The following has no paragraph breaks in the law. I added some for easier reading)

3 USC 15:

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer.

Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.

Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.

Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, an ssuch objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified.

If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.

But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

[Chief Engineer]

IMO any mention of privacy was negated by the posting online of the purported Certification of Live Birth. Media aren’t talking about this except to dismiss it as kooks being behind it for fear of their licenses being yanked. They saw the writing on the wall when Jr’s campaign threatened any media which ran adverse commercials or stories about him before the election.
Now the question is: Will the Dept of Health in HI refuse to release the long form vault original birth certificate when requested for the Presidential Library?
Will Occidental College refuse to release their records for display in said library?
Will Columbia and Harvard also refuse to release their records for display in said library?
If they do it will be a damned empty library!

[JohnG45]

They are gutless, money grubbing, and afraid of losing their mansions. All they had to do was present the public information in a non biased manner. None of them could do it because they are ‘gutless’ as Mark Levin screamed today about some lesser topic.

I am afraid you hit the nail right on the head.

Steve Malzberg (heard in NY on WOR 710AM), who I believe is in national syndication, had no problem discussing this issue in depth. He had multiple guests on to discuss this issue from all sides. He was very fair. Bill Cunningham, (on WABC 770AM in NY) who is a lawyer, also had no problem discussing this issue in detail.

So what IS with Rush, Sean, Laura and Mark Levin? Not a peep!! And Levin likes to present himself as a defender of the Constitution. Some defender!! He commonly calls himself, "the Great One." In my mind he is now, "the not-so Great One." The rest are just followers.

[Tigen]

O = BOY ZERO = CHICAGO Politician = terrorist sympathizer and supporter = terrorist backed entry into politics = backed and supported the most blatant Criminal Gov in history who also supported the unconfirmed/confirmed by grandmother mulatto Kenyan who is hiding his birth certificate.
With the where for all to be putting into place the most evil people and hacks on earth to run the United States Of America as he wishes. The community organizer elect is about to lead the nation that Rush and Hannity live in. BOY ZERO JUST MIGHT BE A PROBLEM RUSH AND HANNITY CANT HANDLE ALONE!.... SARCASM OFF/

[CaraMiaR]

I believe that talk radio has been warned by the FCC. Talk radio is being threatened with the Fairness Doctrine. If the internet can be scrubbed, talk radio can be muzzled.

[supercat]

Suppose Obama is not eligible. Is there any remedy that could be effected prior to the counting of the Electoral College votes which would not create a major crisis of legitimacy (the Constitution may grant the EC and Congress the authority to pick the President however they want, but there's no way the public would accept it)? The only remedy that would not create such a crisis would be to tell a President-Elect Obama that he can take as long he likes to authorize the release of his birth records; Joe Biden will serve as Acting President if needed until such time as Obama's eligibility is confirmed.

Under that scenario, there would be no need to ever depose Obama from his title of "President-Elect". If Obama were to decide that he would rather keep his birth records secret than serve as President, that would be entirely his decision.

Is there any reason to believe that such a scenario would not be the best possible resolution to the situation (whether Obama is eligible or not)? Can anything good come from, at this stage in the game, trying to cause the selection of someone other than Obama as President-Elect?

[curth]

It’s not the Enquirer, but it’s made the Globe.

http://www.globemagazine.com/

[campaignPete R-CT]

here is what some GOP insiders are saying (maybe):

Obama is not our problem, he is the Democrat’s problem.
Obama saved us from Hillary. An 8-year successful Hillary administration was killed off to replace it with a disaster, filled with Illinois scandal.

If Obama doesn’t take office, another Democrat would be PREZ.

Therefore, the major group that had motivation for this issue would have been the Hillaries. Besides, this is just one more issue to bring up in Obama’s impeachment investigation.

[Golden Gate]

The new media is the same as the old media.

24 by mamelukesabre

AND - # 11 by ~ Yogi Berra ~ :) - It ain't over until it's over. (if its true...)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2149326/posts?page=11#11

http://theobamafile.com/NaturalBornCitizenChart.htm

TO All: The new media is the same as the old media. This (#24) is one of several - golden posts - for today, and for recent years. And part of the proof is the GOP Primary 2008. (& the Dem primary for that matter).

If you're addicted to talk radio / cnsrv TV, TURN IT OFF and take a break for 6 to 18 months. It will do you a LOT of good, and I don't even miss it. We get some good info, but mostly blabber with no important plan, no coordinated effort and little or no positive results. (Op kaos - oh goody!) I'm not sure if FR is much better than the ~ new ~ media. I don't think we are living up to our potential. We have to start working together - (more often). People who read this may be working very hard in ways others don't see. But in general, my assessment.

(( but not tonight. going offline. uncertain about my schedule. Hope to get another day or two in here at FR, I'll see. )) - new media is same as old - that says it.

Stop by & see my FR page. Removed about half. Several new items, but cleaned up.

[supercat]

The COLB debacle is just another Obama skeleton that will go nowhere, do nothing and ultimately serve to drag the name of Conservatives further through the mud as fringe whackjobs who love a good conspiracy

IMHO, conservatives need to keep the issue focused on aspects that shouldn't be particularly controversial. A bartender isn't required to have any particular reason to believe that someone is underage in order to demand that person's ID. Rather, a bartender should ask for ID as a matter of course if there is any doubt whatsoever (and some ask as a matter of course, period). While it's unclear what should happen in cases where it is difficult to confirm someone's legitimacy for reasons outside that person's control (e.g. there was a fire some decades back in the office where their birth records were (presumably) stored), it should be reasonable to require that anyone ascending to the office of President be expected to, as a matter of course, either provide clear evidence of eligibility (e.g. a birth certificate) or else offer a good reason why they are unable to do so, along with whatever evidence they can muster.

Of course, to people whose minds are clouded by Liberal Mind Fog, even such reasonable arguments will come to naught, but people are more likely to accept arguments that suggest that even a legitimate Obama should prove himself than arguments which claim Obama is ineligible.

[supercat]

Therefore, the major group that had motivation for this issue would have been the Hillaries. Besides, this is just one more issue to bring up in Obama’s impeachment investigation.

There is no way Hillary will become President, even if Obama is ineligible. Simply not going to happen.

If Obama is declared to be ineligible, no replacement would be widely regarded as legitimate. If Obama is not eligible, the only scenario I can see which would maintain both real and apparent legitimacy would be for a court to find not that Obama was ineligible, but rather that he would be eligible as soon as he allowed the state of Hawaii to confirm his eligibility. Joe Biden would serve as Acting President as needed.

Straightforward solution which would prevent Obama from engaging in brinkmanship. The succession from Obama to Biden would be clear, and I see no reason for any reasonable person to question the legitimacy.

[Golden Gate]

For campaignPete R-CT #55 & many others as this question Keeps coming UP. Test Post: If it doesn't work, I'll post links. Top Link works for me. The bottom link not. ?? This works on my page, see if it works here. I'll make one more post w/ links, below.

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[FreeAtlanta]

The election is over

I like the legislative efforts to force future presidential candidates to show their Birth Certificate to be on the ballot. This will prevent Barry from having a Second term. We need to get this in as many states as possible. Particularly in states where Obama won.