Posted on 10/20/2008 3:44:51 AM PDT by Stoat
My father was not a man of fear
After Korea he died in an act of self sacrifice by guiding his disabled jet into a swamp to save civilians on the ground
he just understood the reporting process of the wartime 1950’s, the debriefings, the agencies that would be involved, the time it it would take him from his duties and responsibilites, the official position on such sightings, the skepticism and the probable taint on him for the rest of his career. and for what?
Nope. I’m a believer. I was attempting to refer to those who inevitably dismiss these posts out of hand.
The F-86D with 24 rockets was a mainstay of our air defense for awhile, but the King of the unguided rocket has to be th F-89D. It carried 104 rockets in two very large wingtip tanks. The ‘50s had a lot of interesting jet aircraft inovations.
My dad was an intercept technician with an air control squadron on Okinawa when the Korean War broke out, and he has told me that more than once they would vector a fighter out to a target, then said target would suddenly move off like a bat out of hell. When visual contact was made by the a/c, the pilots were shocked (at the very least).
It was what it was, whatever it was... the point being that it was happening with enough regularity in the early 1950's to make some people at Kadena and Naha wonder what was going on.
Mr. niteowl77
Thanks. My dad may have worked with yr Dad. He was based out of Japan.
During a long career as a fighter pilot, we all “knew” of the alleged stigma and saw it referenced in media and popular culture, but never saw it in actual service. Perhaps earlier things were as you say, but the culture shift must have been significant as there was no such attitude during my career. Thing was, we are fascinated by the stuff, wanted one of “those” if we could get one, always were interested in sharing what we saw. . .and, operationally, perhaps one of those “things” might have been Soviet, or not, but it was important to report it to check it out.
It was the radar equipped F-86D model (not the F-85F shown). Their sole armament was 24 FFAR (2.75" Folding Fin aircraft rockets). The idea was to close to a SovUn bomber swarm, spray and pray, and go home. Most airforces used 30mm cannon, but some reason US aircraft designers in the early 50s had some reluctance to go heavier than the 50 cal machine guns their grandfathers used
This must be a hoax. They even spelled “DEFENCE” wrong on page 1.
I’m sure the FAA and military radar types . . . such as the FAA director over Alaska who retained a copy of the radar tape of the JAL flight wherein a UFO larger than an aircraft carrier played cat and mouse with the freighter for more than 45 minutes . . .
I’m sure all those folks are
SUPER IMPRESSED
with the ignorant
“it means nothing.”
Wellllllll, folks, obviously another naysayer waiting for a UFO to land in his lap and castrate him before he’ll get a clue.
THANKS MUCH.
IIRC, those who’ve studied the issue contend that there have been AT LEAST 200 incidents wherein we lost military personnel and planes approx 1930-1957 or some such.
In some cases, the planes disappeared entirely—not a shred of them ever found—radar indicating they were engulfed by the UFO or some such.
After some incidents of fighters being sent after UFO craft, we lost commercial airliners to UFO’s. Eventually, we got the message, and propagated orders to avoid conflict with them.
I forget if it was 200 such incidents or 600. More than a few, for sure.
They probably pronounced “lootenant” wrong too.
So,
you’re one of those waiting for a UFO to land in your lap and castrate you before you’ll believe they exist?
The possibility of life on other planets has been one of our oldest doubts.... and oldest hopes. Many believe that we are the only ones here in an infinite and lonely universe, but, as put so eloquently by in the film Contact, based on the novel by Carl Sagan, "If it is just us, it seems like an awful waste of space."
So, could life really exist elsewhere? Why haven't we found other civilizations by now? I hope to be able to provide you with a bit of understanding to the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
The way we can calculate the possibility of life is by the Drake Equation, created by Frank Drake in the early 1960s. It states:
N= [r* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc] L where:
N = number of possible civilizations to communicate with
R* = is the rate at which stars capable of sustaining like are formed
fp = the fraction of these stars which have planets
ne = the number of planets similar to Earth in the planetary system
fl = the fraction of the Earth-like planets that hold life
fi = the fraction of life that becomes an intelligent civilization
fc = the fraction intelligent civilizations that attempt to communicate
L = the number of years the civilization remains able to communicate.
When these numbers are taken into consideration, we realize that there is a great possibility of life out there. There are about 400 billion stars in our galaxy, so there could be life right next door (relatively speaking, since that may be hundreds of thousands of light years away). Even if there is no life in the Milky Way, there are billions of other galaxies to turn to. We likely will not contact such civilizations in our lifetime, but it gives us a new kind of hope and dream for the future of our planet and the future of mankind.
What are the motivational factors resulting in your groping so compulsively for ANY other possible explanation than that included in a professional report by professional military personnel . . . actually now, numbering in the many thousands?
Maybe those who compulsively cry
“TINFOIL HAT! TINFOIL HAT! TINFOIL HAT!
were born with tinfoil for brains.
It is ... it looks like a photoshop job. Possibly even a photoshop of a plastic model.
That might explain it . . .
swamp gas for brains.
This man was a racist white pilot locking onto and preparing to fire into Farrakhan’s mother ship. Calypso Louie has every right to be indignant.
I can tell you what it wasn’t : space monsters from outer space.
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