Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C
I agree with you in general, but where is this going? The people responsible are likely all dead.
I'd like to know if you agree that we can finally agree when John Connally was shot. I look it as NOW as obvious, he was shot in the back at Z=325. Is that what you agree with?
Now, WHY is this important? IF you, as a person in charge of a Federal Investigation, whatever your capacity, know beyond any doubt that you can publish conclusions that are absolutely rediculous because they are physically impossible, then you have a dangerous situation because the press is NOT keeping the people we elect accountable. If it was LBJ and Hoover who arranged both the killing and the coverup, then we the people should know that.
In 2003, the History Channel put on a show named THE GUILTY MEN. It was based in part on Barr McClellan's book about the assassination. The show was one of three new hour long shows of the MEN WHO KILLED KENNED series.
The show was shown two different days and then pulled. The only real physical evidence they had on LBJ was a fingerprint tied to Mac Wallace, a Texas killer who without any doubt killed for LBJ. Prove the fingerprint belonged to Wallace and he was in the sniper's nest, and you have LBJ tied to the assassination.
The show was pulled and if you look at the history of that "censorship", you'll see the names Bill Moyers, Jack Valenti, Gerald Ford, and I believe Lady Bird Johnson. Three of those people definitely don't want you to know about the coverup, and they are still alive.
So why is it important? My tagline is: Those who don't understand the lessons of history are bound to repeat them! IF we don't expose lies that were used in 1963, then the techniques used then can and will be used again. Probably not an assassination of a President, but maybe withholding the truth about some other plot.
As the writers of the Constitution understood, the leaders of our Country need to fear us when they allow commit crimes and when they coverup crimes of others.
Of those of us that lived through that era, I'd say that less than 5% buy the one bullet Warren Commission coverup. This loss of trust has been a large part of the subsequent moral/social/spiritual decay. None of this should be surprising; the Lord told us in Daniel chapter four that we would be governed by the basest of men. We have been, and continue to be.
I'm sure that most of us at FR are well aware of what kind of man Bill Moyers is, but I doubt that he was one of the original perps; he only goes along because it advances his globalist/socialist/humanist beliefs.
REPLY: Actually you see President Kennedy reacting to a shot to his throat followed shortly thereafter by a shot to his back from the Texas School Book depository, with a bullet fragment hitting Governor Connally at around the same time as we see Connally react by raising his hands and looking slightly to his left. 4.8 seconds later at Z=313, JKF is shot in the head, then at Z=325, 0.7 seconds after JFK's head shot, Connally is hit in the back by a shot fired from behind (Texas School Book Depository). Kennedy was knocked out of the way by the bullet to his head, and the bullet fired from behind misses JFK's head and hits Connally in the back. Zapruder's camera frame rate was 18.2 frames/second.
Bill Moyers was an aide to LBJ.
You assume I have not fired any suppressed weapons.
You are WRONG AGAIN.
I have fired lots of suppressed weapons.
Big ones, small ones, semi auto, full auto.
I know what they sound like. Up close and far away.
Some make a fair amount of noise, e.g., 308. Some you can hardly hear. MP5 on full auto with a auppressor is very quiet.
So your debate tactic of trying to tell me what I know or don't know, what I have seen or not is simply more rattling.
A small fish makes a big splash in a small pond.
Go away you obnoctious twelve year old.
Again, you're wrong. There were SEVERAL specific characteristics to both the Fucile M 1938, serial no. C 2766 reputedly used in the JFK shooting, and to that type rifle in general.
If you have not read Hank Bloomgarden's The Gun: A "Biography" of the Gun That Killed John F. Kennedy,ISBN: 0-670-35763-4, you've not even begun any serious homework. Was the Carcano's stock black, and what is the significance of that?
What was the rifle's bore diameter and rifling characteristics, and why is that of importance for several reasons?
What were the distribution sources for the rifle and its ammunition, how were they linked and funded, and what particularly ironic connection ensues thereof?
What was the connection to the second 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano recovered from a Texas resident in a Terre Haute, Indiana hotel, and how is Terre Haute relevant to the matter at hand?
Oh, and hey, what about the two previous attempts on JFK's life, in Tampa and Chicago? How did the Secret Service reward S/A Abraham Bolden, involved in making the Chicago arrest of a former Marine who planned to shoot JFK as his car passed the upper-story window of his boarding house? Sound like a familiar scenario? Oh, and what was the part played in the arrest by Illinois State's Attorney Investigator Richard Cain, simultaneously working for the Chicago police, the mob and the FBI.
There's more interesting information to be weighed, a considerable amount more, and pompous, self-serving expertise from the Grand Poohbah Of All Knowledge does not cut it among those with a serious interest in the matter.
Forget about having a serious discussion with 2.5.
I think he's about twelve years old and a spoiled brat who wants everything his way and doesn't want to listen to adults.
That's one theory. Another is that he was supposed to be flown out of the country via Mexico, leaving links to his later taking a commercial flight from Mexico City to Havana, thereby implicating Fidel in the murder.
But Oswald was at least sharp enough that he smelled a rat [or feared that the *escape to Havana* plan was a cover for killing him after which his body would NEVER be found] that he raised a fuss, during which both he and J.D. Tippit were shot. And explaining the reason for that second .38 S&W revolver the FBI tried to trace.
Interesting. Perhaps there is still a record of a 'no-show' on any commercial airline list for Mexico City on that day. Chances are the ticket was already purchased but not used. Shouldn't take much to find out if his name was scheduled for boarding on that day or if the ticket was returned for rebate. For that matter, NOT returned for rebate.
Interestingly, the photograph of the gentlemen celebrating late in January of 1963 on the cover of Barry and the Boys was reportedly taken at the La Reforma hotel/nightclub in Mexico City....
The most unique feature of the Carcano was it's split bridge receiver. That's why the scope had to be mounted as an offset.
Look at bolt rifles today and they're in different calibers, colors and material. You won't find a split bridge being made today.
That object is on a stationary pole.
If it was on something not fastened to anything it would not go backward in the direction the bullet came from it would continue in the direction of the bullet however it explodes.
A demonstrably wrong statement.
Good point. So the entire object goes back in the direction of where the bullet comes from. Is that in every case and every bit of material always goes back to where the bullet came from? so if that apple was on a string it would instead travel backward? Must be new science. I guess then that every time I shot something and it went flying off it really came back at me I just didn't know it.
Maybe Kennedy's head was not attached to anything and that is why it went backward and to the left curiously in a direct line with a shot from the front right.
The Limo was taken from Dallas and flown to Washington, DC. According to the clips below, the car was taken from Washington (secretly) and taken to Detroit where the windshield was copied and then destroyed. The windshield had a hole in it from a second shot from the front (of course, the other shot from the front was the Z=313 fatal head shot to JFK). So, the conspirators HAD to destroy the windshield as it alone was proof of a frontal shot, something which had to be changed to a crack as too many people had seen the damage to the windshield. The copies of the windshield were made so an appropriate crack could be made. The original windshield was destroyed.
You'll notice that he says the car was stripped by Monday morning when he saw it. Apparently there was more "evidence" that had to be planted or removed.
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Can't retrieve the video from utube.
Destruction of evidence sounds exactly like Waco where the front door which would prove who shot first disappeared and the whole site was bulldozed immediately after the siege destroying all other evidence.
Coindence?
The video comes up for me even when logged out of my account, so it should be OK....
As an investigator, you want the physical evidence to mesh with the witness statements so that it makes SENSE. The RIGHT ANSWER ALWAYS MAKES SENSE. What we have now is a Federal Governement that realizes that the fools in the Press can be EASILY convinced that the witnesses are WRONG on just about any question.
I'm not familiar with Waco except superficially.
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