Explaining the Shooting of Governor John Connally

Shown on FreeRepublic for the first time. | October 25, 2006 | Bill Charleston

[BILL_C]

"BILL_C, do you agree with the following two observations?

1) The bullet hole in the President's shirt is four inches below the collar (based on photographs and measurements of shirt). 2) The bullet hole in Pres. Kennedy's back is 14 cm below the right mastoid process (based on photographs and measurements of the President's back wound). Note: The mastoid process is that boney bump behind your ear, about level with the tip of your ear lobe.

I've thought about this reply for several days and, no, I can't agree. Both pieces of evidence are from an autopsy that with NO QUESTION been caught with lies and deceptions. ANYTHING they say has to be treated with caution by someone who wants to understand the truth.

The FBI agent (Frances O'Neill) said the bullet wound was below the shoulder and two inches to the right of the spinal column in his report, I think we can agree on that as it defines the location well enough to understand roughly the point the bullet entered.

O'Neille goes on to say that the investigators were mistaken from the beginning as he said "nothing about the bullet hitting him (JKF) in the back of the neck, I don't know where he got that from."

Remember, all I'm trying to do is COMPARE two possible scenarios, one where the bullet hit JFK below his shoulder, exited his neck about the top of the tie knot on his neck, and then went down at an approximate 25 degree down angle.

vs.

A scenario where Connally is hit in the back at Z=325 with a shot that was heard by witnesses and the effects can be clearly seen on the Zapruder Film and more importantly, it agrees with one of the major observations of two important witnesses in the car, John Connally was not struck by the first bullet that hit JFK (except for the minor wound to his left leg at around Z=222).

There's another constraint that is becoming obvious, If you want to validate the Warren Commission's single bullet theory, then you can use government supplied information. IF you want to validate Connally hit in the back at Z=325, then you have to regard ALL information with suspicion that COULD HAVE been tampered with, as we know some of it was altered.

[Shooter 2.5]

We showed this character the photos of the wound in the back. It showed the bullet wound with a ruler next to it for clarification. We explained the measurement from an exact point which is the Mastoid Process to the bullet wound and measuring 14 centimeters.

Reading his post, you can now observes someone's brain explode. With that clear and concise measurement, everything he wrote on this thread becomes a lie.

If you saw him in person, he would be sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!".

[Sloth]

Here's mine, 50 people did it, they were standing right along the street. They were using cloaking devices from the mother ship.

What a load of crap. Here's the real story: Kennedy was killed by John Wilkes Booth. Booth, having faked his own death a century before, used a bio-stasis machine invented by Jules Verne to go into hibernation until his plot was ready to come to fruition (specifically, he was waiting for another southern Democrat named Johnson to become Vice-President). On January 20, 1961, he was thawed out by the great-grandchildren of his old co-conspirators, and he used his professional acting skills to recruit a number of helpers in the plot, including the scapegoat Oswald. I think it's pretty obvious to any honest observer that this is what happened. You can clearly see Booth standing in the crowd in frames 295 through 297 of the Zapruder film, with a receipt for a Carcano rifle protruding from his breast pocket.

[tpaine]

--- Carlsens timeline, posted at 319, casts doubts on the Reports 'single bullet timeline' - as instead of eight seconds - there are less than six to account for the three shots:


1) Aim, fire first shot at frame 210, -- as frame 226 indisputedly shows JFK throat hit.

2) Cycle action, aim, fire second round. - Miss. -- Shot downrange that hit curb could not have been defelected earlier at frame 160.

3) Cycle action, aim, fire third round. -- Frame 313 indisputably shows head hit on JFK.

Maximum 103 frames, - 5.48 seconds, - to fire the last two shots with a rifle that indisputably takes a minimum of 2.3 seconds to cycle the action. - Leaving less than a second to twice recover aim on a moving target.

Show me an expert able to convincingly duplicate the feat. - None ever did so.

The case is far from 'closed'.

[Tares]

I've thought about this reply for several days and, no, I can't agree. Both pieces of evidence are from an autopsy that with NO QUESTION been caught with lies and deceptions.

Do you believe that the photo above is a fake?

Do you believe that the photo below is a fake?

[Shooter 2.5]

Can you tell me the name of the person who was hit in the cheek on the first shot? I'm interested in what he had to say during his interview.

[Tares]

Can you tell me the name of the person who was hit in the cheek on the first shot?

James Tague. Scroll about 20% of the way down the page.

He wrote his own book, and has his own EBay store with SUPRISE!...lots of assassination books for sale.

[Shooter 2.5]

....that's when the shots occurred. I heard what I thought was a rifle shot. I immediately reacted. By turning to look over my right shoulder 'cause that's where the sound came from. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary and was in the process of looking over my left shoulder when I felt a blow in the middle of my back as if someone had hit me with a doubled up fist about like that[demonstrates a punch]. The blow was of such force it bent me over and I immediately saw I was covered with blood and I knew I was hit and I said, "oh, my God, they're going to kill us all.
And I heard another shot that was a loud shot almost like that and immediately I saw blood and brain tissue all over the back of the limousine.

John Connelly

The first shot, he didn't see anything out of the ordinary. The second shot, he was hit. The third shot hit the President in the head.

[Snoopers-868th]

Have you ever checked out this site? http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/frept97.htm

[smoketree]

Sorry shooter 2.5 but the head shot movement does not line up with a rear shot. However it does line up exactly with a front right shot. His head was moving forward to the left and down when the bullet impacts front right and sends his head back to the rear and left. If he was shot from the right rear his head would have gone left front and down. that clearly did not happen according to the film.
No amount of crafty words can dispute that.

[cvq3842]

Thanks - I will.

[Shooter 2.5]

Sorry smoketree, but the head movement is exactly like a rear shot. On initial impact his head is quickly moved to the front by about two inches. It's only during the aftershock the head is moved to the rear and left which is the same movement away from the "red mist" Connelly and Mrs, Kennedy react to.


In following trajectories, the rule is for any gunshot that hits a significant amount of resistance, it's small hole in, large hole out since struck matter also becomes moving debris causing even more damage. The rear of the skull also exhibited the evidence of cratering. That's the damage a piece of glass has when it's shot with a BB or pellet gun. The outer surface has a small hole and widens toward the inner surface like a crater.

I notice you had no intention of explaining just where a forward shot may have originated. Since the windshield had but a small inner crack in it which was probably caused by the third shot, any shot from the front is impossible. The third shot's two large fragments which dented the windshield chrome and the cracking the windshield were found forward of Kennedy. One fragment on the driver's seat and the other on the front floor. There's also the witnesses who were standing on the railroad bridge making any "sniper's nest" impossible. The two officer were instructed to remove any personal who didn't belong such as reporters but they had no jurisdiction to remove railroad workers. That's why a small crowd, including two Dallas Police officers, were on the railroad bridge making the foward shot impossible.

[smoketree]

Are you saying that the "red mist" is the force jerking his head back and to the left?
If the bullet came from the rear then his head would have moved forward and down.
why doesn't it do that?
And don't tell me that the material ejected was the force because all material would be gong in the same direction, forward and down.
I'm not saying where the shot came from only that the head shot cannot be from the upper rear right.
Sorry there is no amount of words that can dispute the movement of his head.

[smoketree]

So "in your mind" the bridge is the "only" location for a front shot?
Why does the head shot line up directly with a possible shot from the "grassy knoll"?
Look at a satellite photo and see for yourself.

[Tares]

How a high-speed bullet damages an organ

[Shooter 2.5]

Nope and nope. Small hole in, Large hole out.
The only "force" that was evident on impact was the two inches forward when the bullet struck the back of his head. There's even the autopsy report of the spray of lead particles in a cone shape toward the front of his head.

The horrible truth is Kennedy was still alive even after being struck by the third shot. There's no way of judging what a body will do when the "electrical current" was short circuited.
The Zapruder film classically shows a shot from the rear but the huckers never bother to falsify the Zapruder film like they tried the backyard Oswald with rifle photo. It's because the hucksters don't understand bullet impacts. Oliver Stone did in his movie when he reversed the "red mist" showing spraying from the rear instead of the front as in reality.

I have visited Dealy Plaza on a number of occasions. I live just outside of Dallas. The trajectory doesn't match any of the theories except for the sixth floor. The next time you are at a parade, envision a person fifteen feet away from you behind a rickety old fence aiming a military rifle and firing it toward you. Imagine the muzzle blast and shock wave. The ear closest to the blast would continue to ring for about 24 hours. Then tell me you couldn't tell me an accurate account of what the man looked like, the type of rifle used and which way they walked or ran away.

The guy in the Railroad tower was watching a couple behind the picket fence. He reported they did nothing except watch the parade. The group on the sidewalk never mentioned a shooter behind the fence. The motorcycle cop ran his cycle to the bottom of the stairs and ran up to the picket fence and saw no one of interest. Zapruder filmed the corner of the fence and it didn't show anyone there.

But your mind is all made up. You can believe the fairytales from the carnival hucksters who make their weekend living with their stands on the grassy knoll every Sunday.

[Shooter 2.5]

The card shows there in no such thing as a brush cutting bullet. I saw a video called "Dangerous Weapons" where they were surprised a .50 BMG bullet was deflected by a one inch tree branch.

[smoketree]

Sorry, wrong again.
My mind is not "made up" like you suggest.
I have a difficult time with your style of discussion.
You seem to jump to a conclusion that fits your theory.
I'll try it. Since noone saw a bazooka on the grassy knoll then there was noone there. Who mentioned bazooka? Nobody.
Who mentiioned an unsilenced rifle on the grassy knoll? Nobody.
I've been to Dealy Plaza too.
If you are going to quote Oliver Stone and a movie then I think I'll leave you to your own rattlings.

[Shooter 2.5]

You have been watching too many movies. Repressed weapons aren't all that "silenced". Unless they are of a very minor caliber, they still make a significant amount of noise.

You also have been watching too many movies when the trajectory doesn't line up. The splatter was enough to make Connelly slam his head against the rear of the driver seat when the brain matter erupted. If it came from the knoll WHERE ZAPRUDER WAS FILMING why didn't the splatter go to the left side of Kennedy's head and not the front?

You ignored the evidence of the cratered hole at the rear of the skull.
You ignored the lead splash to the front of the brain.
You ignored the police officers on the railroad bridge who could easily see the grassy knoll and their location on the bridge.
If it was a "silenced" rifle, why did a few uneducated people on the subject of firearms, claim they heard a loud rifle shot from the Knoll and look in that direction and see no one with a rifle? Klingon cloaking device?
You ignored the motorcycle officer who immediately drove his cycle to the knoll and checked it out seeing no one with a firearm or suspicious.
You ignored Governor Connelly's statement in which the shots came from the rear.
You ignored the railroad tower employee who stated no one was shooting from the picket fence.
You ignored the two bullet fragments found in the front of the limousine.
You ignored the damage of the windshield and chrome trim.
You ignored any absence of bullets or their fragments to the left or rear of the limousine.
Try to deal with this with cold hard facts. Not the huckster's lines because they can fool the out of town rubes.

[smoketree]

You're funny.