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5/15/2006 | unlearner

[siunevada]

I liked this article:

How Dark the Con of Dan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1632068/posts

" As Amy Wellborn points out, "The Da Vinci Code" is fiction but the author makes assertions about history and presents them as widely accepted facts, introduced by such phrases as "historians say" and "scholars understand." "

Hmmmm. They must be related to "critics say" that I keep seeing in newspaper articles.

No one has a name. Maybe it's a conspiracy.

[Aquinasfan]

Is there a Priory of Sion?, Yes.

No.

It's a hoax.

Is the a Dossier Secrets?, Yes

What's the "a Dossier Secrets"?

Does Opus Dei exist?, Yes

Do they have monks? No. Not even albino monks.

Did his wife fact-check anything? No. Did he? No.

Does Dan Brown attest to the veracity of these things? No

What about his "fact sheet" at the front of the book?

Did Dan Brown invent these things?, No

Yes.

What is he lying about??????

Jesus being married!!!!!!

There are countless other factual errors like the ones I mentioned above, plus the fact that there are 13 cups in the "Last Supper painting." One for everyone. Not one short, as Brown claims.

The Church wanted to eliminate the “Sacred Feminine” the Goddess aspect, and maintain a patriarchal system (Page 46,116) Of course, Christianity elevated women to an equal status with men, in contrast to all other religions of the day. And Catholics hold that the greatest human being (aside from Christ, who was God/Man), was Mary, His mother.

According to Brown, Sir Isaac Newton, Victor Hugo, Boticelli were all Grand Masters in the Priory of Sion they were responsible for preserving the “True” identity of Jesus to be released in the future. (Page 113) The Priory of Scion (POS) is a POS --a modern hoax.

According to Brown, Constantine…held a gathering known as the council of Nicea….(325 A.D.) Until that moment in history Jesus was viewed by his followers as a mortal prophet…not the Son of God. (Page 233) This is absurd. All of the writings of the Church Fathers contradict this.

I could go on, but there is an endless list at Debunking Da Vinci

[subterfuge]

Actually, Bull sharks are known to go hundreds of miles into fresh water rivers...but I doubt they could make it to Lake Michigan! :^)

[Revolting cat!]

"Dimestore ontology,dimestore ontology,dimestore ontology,dimestore ontology,dimestore ontology,

dimestore ontology,

dimestore ontology!"

[angkor]

Heh.

[HEY4QDEMS]

He didn't say it wasn't a hoax or a fraud merely that it exists. It was a registered organization in France 1956.

Where on the "fact" page is there a claim that Opus Dei has monks.

Where on the "fact" page does he claim that Jesus was married.

What about his "fact sheet" at the front of the book?

That is what I'm talking about.

In the interview posted on his website he explains that the only facts he making are that these things exist and he in no way makes any claims as to there authentisity or credibility.

All the items listed on the "fact" page have been in the news, been part of legend and lore, and have been writen about numerous times before Dan Brown ever even concieved the idea for this book so No he did not invent these things.

The book is fiction with the exception of the items listed on his fact page, its amazing how many people just don't get it.

[HEY4QDEMS]

There are countless other factual errors like the ones I mentioned above, plus the fact that there are 13 cups in the "Last Supper painting."

The book does claim thirteen cups. Perhaps you should read it.

[maine-iac7]

Jesus being married!!!!!! (he's lying about this, say you.

nowhere in the New Testament does it state that Jesus was celibate. For centuries people have speculated about this, both ways...people with vast knowledge, education, access to documents unaccessible to the general public - and still they speculate, even though they have their own opinions. Perhaps they need to get in touch with you, who 'knows' :O)

MM by Leonardo

below: stained glass window in European church - long before Brown was born.

I love this painting below of MM - done by a student of Leonardo...

you write There are countless other factual errors like the ones I mentioned above, plus the fact that there are 13 cups in the "Last Supper painting." One for everyone. Not one short, as Brown claims.

What is really left of the original painting that Leonardo did? Not what you see in Milan now.......but I'll give you a clue - Brown has good reason for his claim -

go to link and scroll to "restorations":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo)

Experts agree that what is now called the Last Supper is only a shadowed guess of what Leonardo painted - but accurate descriptions of the original do exist... Another avenue those with the ability to use their own mind that God gave them - (but not for you who already know all the facts) There is the writer - whose books on MM came out LONG before Brown's - you might enjoy. She is a life long Catholic:

- "Margaret Starbird holds BA and MA degrees from the University of Maryland where she concentrated in comparative literature, medieval studies and German language, studies she pursued on a Fulbright Student Grant at the Christian Albrechts Universitat in Kiel, Germany. She taught German language at the University of Maryland for four years and for one year at North Carolina State University. She later studied at Vanderbilt Divinity School in Nashville, TN. She has lived and traveled extensively in Europe including pilgrimages to Black Madonna and Mary Magdalene shrines and Cathar citadels in Provençe.

(she's on the web - http://www.margaretstarbird.net/

I would suggest "The Woman With the Alabaster Jar" first

Then there are many scholarly books by many writers for 100's of years concerning MM - one of my favorite contempory writers, besides Starbird, is Sir Laurence Gardner - who has access to many ancient texts, including the Vatican.

Caution: You do have to be able to think for yourself, these are not for the spoon fed. I find, like Starbird, these studies to be faith building....(sorry for the long post - but believe me, it isn't even touching the tip - )

[maine-iac7]

its amazing how many people just don't get it

Ayah!

[Tennessee_Bob]

I've never...

I've never...

I've never...

I've never...

I've never...

Awww, come on, admit it...you know you always wanted too...

Personally, I still have an invisible dragon as a best friend, and I'm 42.

[Tennessee_Bob]

You're missing the point. Dan Brown is trying to discredit the Bible.

Yeah - after the hatchet job he did on the NSA, I'm more than willing to accept that he's an expert on anything.

[NCSteve]

Until that moment in history Jesus was viewed by his followers as a mortal prophet…not the Son of God.

I had completely forgotten that little tidbit. I guess I can be excused by the utterly forgettable nature of Brown's drivel. I imagine Clement, Polycarp, Iraeneus, and Eusebius would have been quite shocked to discover that this was their belief.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I got the latest package from the Military Book Club yesterday. In it they have "The Davinci Code" for sale, along with other "Non Fiction" Christianity bashing books.

Too bad I don't have the descriptions of said books now. Rest assured they were all filth.

[Aquinasfan]

He didn't say it wasn't a hoax or a fraud merely that it exists. It was a registered organization in France 1956.

Please. His "fact" page claims that the references to historical events, and so forth, are factual.

Where on the "fact" page is there a claim that Opus Dei has monks.

Where on the "fact" page does he claim that Jesus was married.

See above. He's claiming that his book is historical fiction.

What about his "fact sheet" at the front of the book?

That is what I'm talking about.

In the interview posted on his website he explains...

I thought you were talking about the "fact sheet"?

[Aquinasfan]

The book does claim thirteen cups.

I thought he claimed that one cup was missing.

Perhaps you should read it.

I would if I considered my time to be worthless.

[Aquinasfan]

Jesus being married!!!!!! (he's lying about this, say you. nowhere in the New Testament does it state that Jesus was celibate.

More importantly, there's no mention that Jesus was married. Did the people who walked with Jesus not think it important to mention His wife? Secondly, there is no mention in the early Church Fathers of Jesus being married. Thirdly, Jesus commends celibacy "for the kingdom." Since He claimed to be the Son of God, He would certainly take His own advice. Fourthly, Brown cites the gnostic gospels, which are hare-brained, to say the least. (In the so-called Gospel of Thomas, believers are told that women can be saved if they become men.) Fifth, the gnostic gospels were written centuries after the true Gospels. The writers were not witnesses of Jesus' life.

For centuries people have speculated about this, both ways...

For decades people have speculated about (insert idiotic idea here; i.e., alien abductions), both ways...

[sirchtruth]

At first I thought that Dan Brown was some kind of antagonist trying to irratate as many Christians as possible, but the more I see about what he actually refers to as FACT, and how he relates it is ingenious.

At the very least he has given the Christian community a stupendeous opportunity to witness Christ to unbelivers. Where I normally wouldn't have the oppotunity to discuss Jesus with a co-worker, who is fascinated by this book, now I can speak with her openly and not come off "preaching" as to who Christ is.

Don't miss boat the Christians, this is a fabulous opportunity to win souls to Christ.

I don't know what Brown's motives are, but by this novel he has gotten people searching about things which they would have shunned in fear before.

[HEY4QDEMS]

I thought he claimed that one cup was missing.

I finished reading the book about a month or so ago but the exchange goes something like this:

Sir Leigh Teabing: "Sophie, close your eyes and tell me how many cups are in the painting"

Sophie Neveu: Recalling scripture that Jesus shared the cup with his deciples, guessed; "One".

SLT: "Now open your eyes and look"

SN: Was amazed to see that there were 13, no chalice, just thirteen regular cups, one for each person.

BTW, Did you know the "Leigh Teabing" is an acronym for Leigh and Baigent, two of the authors of Holy Blood Holy Grail.

[HEY4QDEMS]

I don't know what Brown's motives are, but by this novel he has gotten people searching about things which they would have shunned in fear before.


From Dan Brown's interview about DaVinci Code:

"the debate that is being generated is a positive powerful force. The more vigorously we debate these topics, the better our understanding of our own spirituality. Controversy and dialogue are healthy for religion as a whole. Religion has only one true enemy--apathy--and passionate debate is a superb antidote."

[HEY4QDEMS]

Please. His "fact" page claims that the references to historical events, and so forth, are factual.

Here is the fact page verbatim.

FACT: The Priory of Sion—a European secret society founded in 1099—is a real organization. In 1975, Paris's Bibliothèque Nationale discovered parchments known as Les Dossiers Secrets, identifying numerous members of the Priory of Sion, including Sir Isaac Newton, Botticelli, Victor Hugo, and Leonardo da Vinci.

The Vatican prelature known as Opus Dei is a deeply devout Catholic group that has been the topic of recent controversy due to reports of brain-washing, coercion, and a practice known as "corporal mortification." Opus Dei has just completed construction of a $47 million National Headquarters at 243 Lexington Avenue in New York City.

All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

Where is this elusive reference to historical events???