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Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast
ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

Posted on 04/19/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MindBender26

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To: Howlin
(My apologies to dial-ups.)


421 posted on 04/19/2006 9:21:25 AM PDT by maggief ( ... and YOU know what I'm talkin' about.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

The accuser AND the prosecutor should be indicted for the hell they have caused not only to the accused, but also to Duke University and race relations in North Carolina.


422 posted on 04/19/2006 9:21:41 AM PDT by OkeyDokeyOkie
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To: Joan Kerrey
It looks like there is time enough for a quick rape to me. 12:02 to 12:24 is 22 minutes of free time.

Not sure if you are understanding the timeline there. Are you saying that he started raping her the minute she walked in and even during his call to the cab dispatcher?

423 posted on 04/19/2006 9:22:27 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Raycpa

You wrote:
[All 12 of the taxicab companies serving Durham contacted by The Herald-Sun on Tuesday said they did not dispatch a driver to 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. on the night of the alleged incident.]

"This puts a hole in the airtight alibi."


Yet the cab driver has testified:
"I remember those two guys starting enjoying their food inside my car, but I'm glad I end up with a nice tip and fare $25," the taxi driver said in his testimony.


424 posted on 04/19/2006 9:23:10 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Unfortunately yes I have.


425 posted on 04/19/2006 9:23:10 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Joan Kerrey
"It looks like there is time enough for a quick rape to me. 12:02 to 12:24 is 22 minutes of free time."

I believe the established timeline is that she danced until 12:04 - 12:05, then left the house, was persuaded to return, and then danced briefly before going into the bathroom. So she was not in the bathroom until 12:10 or later. And I think Seligmann left the house by 12:19, after making two phone calls to his girl friend in the preceding 10 - 15 minutes. So the timeframe for the quickie rape is reduced to 5 - 10 minutes, with Seligmann on the phone with his girlfriend within 2 minutes of the rape. But the woman claimed the assault lasted half an hour. I think we have reasonable doubt that Seligmann was involved in a rape.
426 posted on 04/19/2006 9:23:31 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Raycpa
That is the current accusation. She can say she was confused about time and events can't she?

Confused about events? Are you seriously trying to contend that this woman was raped by three men who just happened to be members of the Duke LaCrosse team and then she found the ability to go ahead with her scheduled dance performance in front of these very same men and THEN went to the Kroger parking lot and had the guard make the call??

Do you work for this DA or something?

427 posted on 04/19/2006 9:25:19 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Yet the cab driver has testified: "I remember those two guys starting enjoying their food inside my car, but I'm glad I end up with a nice tip and fare $25," the taxi driver said in his testimony.

I have to wonder if the cab driver's testimony will change due to community pressure.

428 posted on 04/19/2006 9:25:41 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Raycpa

You think they won't?


429 posted on 04/19/2006 9:27:22 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Taco Bell: The sleazy strip club of late-night drive-thru.


430 posted on 04/19/2006 9:27:32 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Steve_Seattle

The important photo is the one of her smiling on the porch at 12:30 with clothes unruffled. It's unlikely she would appear like that after a brutal gang-rape. I believe the prosecution may now contend the rape occurred after the 12:30 photo and before the 12:37 photo ...??


431 posted on 04/19/2006 9:29:01 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: OkeyDokeyOkie
The accuser AND the prosecutor should be indicted for the hell they have caused not only to the accused, but also to Duke University and race relations in North Carolina.

Don't forget about the tax payers of NC.

The state is actively trying to recruit companies to move to North Carolina. Any company would think twice about doing that if they think race relations are bad.

432 posted on 04/19/2006 9:29:11 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: OkeyDokeyOkie
Just interviewed on FOX: 2 Duke students (female)One says she's friends w/Reede's girlfriend and knows him through her...has been in contact daily w/her and girlfriend says Reede is handling this 'well' because he knows he's innocent....says Reede has always been respectful of women.

The other student says that the climate on campus is supportive of these guys...is dismayed at the breakdown of how the system works.

The first student is wearing a white T-shirt w/"Innocent" across the front, and both have been giving out 'hundreds' of such T-shirts for students to wear.

The first student is an attractive woman who appears to be of Indian descent; the other, Caucasian.

433 posted on 04/19/2006 9:29:40 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Daily legal immigrant to FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Raycpa
She can say she was confused about time and events can't she?

Their pictures lock HER story in.

And I am almost positive they have video.

434 posted on 04/19/2006 9:29:40 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Steve_Seattle

Perhaps a more telling question....where was she before her arrival at the LaCrosse house party....I know....she was teaching Bible classes.....


435 posted on 04/19/2006 9:31:36 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: maggief

Maggie!

WRAL is reporting that she picked them out from scratches on their bodies!


HAHAHA..............she picked out guys with scratches on their bodies -- guys that weren't there!


436 posted on 04/19/2006 9:31:48 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: GAgal
"I believe the prosecution may now contend the rape occurred after the 12:30 photo and before the 12:37 photo ...??"

Well, if they do that, Seligmann is off the hook, because he can prove he was gone by about 12:20 and back at his dorm a mile away by about 12:45.
437 posted on 04/19/2006 9:32:33 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Carolinamom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1617550/posts?page=436#436


438 posted on 04/19/2006 9:32:34 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Heyworth
Taco Bell: The sleazy strip club of late-night drive-thru.

True. (That would make Jack-In-The-Box an all-nude club...and White Castle a full scale bordello.)

439 posted on 04/19/2006 9:33:08 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Tiberius109
I don't see whats so hard to believe that the kid simply wasen't interested in seeing some skank dance and left the party . Simple explaination.

I don't either. It sounds as if this stripper was gassed from the get-go. He's thinking--"and for this I wasted my night? See ya." What I am picturing from the description of the photos is her trying to hobble around on one shoe throughout the night. If these shoes are stilettos (usual stripper footwear), no surprise she fell down the stairs. She was "dancing" in just one shoe, for petes sake. That is NOT a normal stripper M.O.

I know a little about this stripping business as (years ago) I had two good friends who were strippers. They call themselves dancers, but c'mon. They made at least $1500.00 cash at batchelor parties. (They tried to "recruit" me several times to "buddy dance" with them to make even MORE money. Uh, no thanks.) One rule is they could NEVER dance without their shoes, the reason being that (at least according to our laws,) they (and the establishment they were performing in) could be charged with PROSTITUTION. I know, it sounds weird, but the managers of the club had hissy fits if their girls kicked their shoes off, and my friends both confirmed the reason why. Additionally, one of my "dancer" friends could NOT perform without getting high first, and she told me that most girls in the business were lit when they performed and quite a few of them did "private action" as well. (In my defense, I was a silly little liberal back then--I have a much better class of friends now, though I do hope they are happy with "normal" lives now.)

I am guessing that the two got irritated by the comments and thumbs-down from the players, weren't getting tipped, and decided they were going to bail. They went in the bathroom to get dressed, but the accuser decided she needed to repair her press-on nails. She probably opened her cosmetic bag, lost some of the contents on the floor (thinking she is inebriated here) including some of her press-on nails. They probably discussed how they were going to get out of there without finishing the performance that was agreed upon up front and still get paid.

The timeline is very troublesome for the Prosecutors. She claimed she was raped for at least 30 minutes in a vicious struggle, yet NO DNA? That seems highly improbable, and it is clear from the photos that she already had injuries and bruises to her body as she was performing. At least one of her "100% certain" accused seems to have a solid alibi.

440 posted on 04/19/2006 9:33:18 AM PDT by Shelayne (Antique Media--losing value everyday...)
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