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(Somebody's) List of Best novels of all time

Posted on 02/17/2006 8:31:22 AM PST by Borges

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To: MotleyGirl70

LOL!


81 posted on 02/17/2006 11:42:04 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I like his writing...but no doubt he's pc incorrect for his man-woman viewpoints as much as anything.

Pretty anti-Semitic, too: I'm thinking of just the first part of The Sun Also Rises and his description of Robert Cohn. Then again, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is about Huckleberry's guilt over not "doing the right thing" by returning a human being back to his "owner," and that book's pretty high up on this list.

82 posted on 02/17/2006 11:42:40 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Love to read. At least one novel a week. Guess I just like more contemporary 'stuff'.


83 posted on 02/17/2006 11:43:52 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"That is perhaps the best Bad Novel of all time. Highly enjoyable."

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I do not share that view...



84 posted on 02/17/2006 11:44:25 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Borges

Pan Tadeusz needs to be on the list. (Wajda made an excellent movie version)


85 posted on 02/17/2006 11:47:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: mware

Antigone is good - very good.

I also like Elektra.

(The story about Agamemnon and Clytemnestra is one of my favorite family sagas. I used to tease one of my co-workers about writing it up as a soap opera - you could do it, but oh, what a tragedy.)

I bet that got them reading the Satyricon. But the piece that will stick in my mind forever is the dinner scene. Oh what gorgeous nouveau riche excess....even by Roman standards!


86 posted on 02/17/2006 11:49:47 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It's not held in high regard by Dickens scholars either. When I read Dickens I want to read about the London demimonde. But Historical novels about the French Revolution? Interestingly enough his only other Historical novel, Barnaby Rudge, is the least read and regarded of them all. Not a single film version exists.
87 posted on 02/17/2006 11:50:09 AM PST by Borges
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I know people that think Huck Finn is the very best novel written in the US. And these are serious academicians.

I don't know who I'd put in that slot.


88 posted on 02/17/2006 11:53:08 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I don't know who I'd put in that slot.

Off the top of my head, I'd say the title for best American novel goes to Mr. Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby. In my opinion, that novel says more about what it is to be an American than any other I've read. I reserve the right to change my mind later on, though.

89 posted on 02/17/2006 11:55:45 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Borges

I wonder what the top 100 "Books That People Actually Read Because They Wanted to Read Them, and Liked Them So Much, They Excitedly Passed Them on to Their Friends" would be.

Not many on the list is my bet. ;)


90 posted on 02/17/2006 11:57:33 AM PST by najida (Gluten free, Sugar Free, Low Salt, Low Fat, High Fiber = Eating grass for the rest of your life.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Most people think that. And I wouldn't disagree too vehemently. It's the American Odyssey.
91 posted on 02/17/2006 12:08:18 PM PST by Borges
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To: najida

All the books on there that I've read (31) have been quite enjoyable. Do you just assume anything old is dull?


92 posted on 02/17/2006 12:09:16 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
Hmph. Naughty Nurses In Bondage doesn't make the cut again. What was this list-maker thinking?

My guess is that factors other than sheer literary quality went into this one. Tale of Genji, for example, may have been the first novel, period, and written in an environment that made literary creativity, especially by a woman, nearly impossible. That said, the book's a yawner.

War And Peace was truly a sweeping, magisterial read, but some of the most important plot arcs (IMHO) weren't resolved until the second or third afterword. That simply isn't great construction, but it was a great read. Huckleberry Finn was the Great American Novel and indispensable to the understanding of the United States, especially the Western United States, and especially its males. "Lit out for the Territories" is an entire cultural dissertation in a single phrase.

I have a couple of unorthodox nominees. One is King's Salem's Lot, a marvel of concision and pacing that he hasn't really equaled since. William Gibson's Neuromancer is one I'd suggest. These are two "first" novels, meaning that their respective authors polished them relentlessly, far more than a professional could normally afford to do and that neither man appears to have done with subsequent novels.

Proust I don't get and I'm afraid I'm too impatient for Pynchon. Joyce I enjoy as an intellectual challenge but if you have to work that hard at grasping allusions it seems to cost in terms of emotional involvement. I adored The Tin Drum but haven't been able to get behind anything else Grass wrote. I didn't see Sense and Sensibility on the list - liked it better than Pride and Prejudice.

But no pr0n. Sheesh.

93 posted on 02/17/2006 12:10:18 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Borges
I've read about 20 or so of the list too....
But I have no urge to read them again. The issue isn't dull, its lack of connection.

That's what I'm saying. There are the books you read and you say "Great writer, classic story" and you never read that book again. They sit like unapproachable monuments. Important landmarks, but you have no desire to sit with them.

Then there are the books you keep you your shelves and reread for years until they are in tatters. You lend them out to friends in excitement. You chat about them on line with all kinds of "what ifs and if onlys".

Funny, but I sincerely believe the list of those books would have almost nothing in common with the first list.
94 posted on 02/17/2006 12:15:31 PM PST by najida (Gluten free, Sugar Free, Low Salt, Low Fat, High Fiber = Eating grass for the rest of your life.)
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To: Borges

You want overrated? Ok... The Sound and the Fury, Middlemarch, Gravity's Rainbow, Tess..., The Tin Drum, Fathers and Sons, The Trial, Call It Sleep,

Missing: Catch 22, Simplicimus Simplicissimus by Grimmelshausen, Studs Lonigan, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater, The Man With the Golden Arm, First Circle, Gulliver's Travels, Heart of Darkness, Naked Lunch, The Mayor of Casterbridge.


95 posted on 02/17/2006 12:19:34 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: najida

Why be intimidated by reputation. I can't imagine reading something like War and Peace or Moby Dick just once. I don't know how many times I've read re-read Dickens with equal enjoyment.


96 posted on 02/17/2006 12:20:28 PM PST by Borges
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I love TSATF, Middlemarch and Tess. The latter is the great English prose tragedy. And how can something as majestic as Middlemarch be overrated. Faulkner and Pynchon are obviously an acquired taste. I think the Turgenev is there because it accurately described the sort of personality who take over Russia over 50 years later.


97 posted on 02/17/2006 12:22:12 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

It is definitely right up there...an important must read.

There are books that I think are important because of their literary merits. Others because they capture a moment in time (One for me the The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, not fiction, I know, but still) or earned place in history because of their immediate influence (like Uncle Tom's Cabin). A few works manage to do all three. They are very rare. Off the top of my head without thinking deeply, Young Werther by Goethe is one that might qualify. Some might call Ulysses one of those. I'm not sure.


98 posted on 02/17/2006 12:24:41 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: gate2wire

Mine too.


99 posted on 02/17/2006 12:27:30 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Borges

Read Madame Bovary this year.

It rocked - it's short, easy to read, and just kickass great writing. It's a "great book" that's actually worth reading and fun.


100 posted on 02/17/2006 12:28:10 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (When Bush says "we mustn't act like clowns," the RATS don their multi-colored wigs and greasepaint.)
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