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(Somebody's) List of Best novels of all time

Posted on 02/17/2006 8:31:22 AM PST by Borges

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To: gate2wire

Dickens is unsurpassed when it comes to creation of characters and the Tale has memorable ones. Who can forget the scene where the disbarred lawyer, Sidney Carlton, is sitting doing the work for the law firm he is the brains of with wet towels on his head to cool it off because all that thinking makes his head hot. And the theme of giving one's life for another is timeless.

One could have put just about every Dickens work on this list as far as I am concerned.


101 posted on 02/17/2006 12:28:27 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Borges

I guess it's desire....
I just counted, and I've actually read about 40 or so of the list.

War and Peace again? No way. Uh huh. I read for enjoyment, not to slog through pages of detailed misery.

Please, it's a great book, but no, snow, death, freezing, war....hmrpt. No.

Anything by Austen, yes, I'd re-read. Same with books like Jane Eyre, Three Muskateers, etc.

But many of the classics just annoyed the bejeebers out of me....
Scarlet Letter, while great, the unfairness was grating.
Lolita made me squirm as a young girl reading it.
Grapes of Wrath, great, but a slog through misery.
Clarissa!?! Dear lord in heaven, let me just jump off the roof and be done with it.

All I'm saying is the 'pull' isn't in these books. You don't walk by and say to yourself "Wow, I know it read it last week, but I want to read it again!"

Can't see it with Moby Dick, that's for sure.


102 posted on 02/17/2006 12:28:53 PM PST by najida (Gluten free, Sugar Free, Low Salt, Low Fat, High Fiber = Eating grass for the rest of your life.)
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To: monkey

So the deepest novelist of all time, Doestoevsky, went after "low hanging fruit"? Hilarious.

And the creator of the greatest satirical novel of all time, Pride and Prejudice, is "trivial"? Even funnier.
Austen created a whole new style of writing and that novel is screamingly funny even today. I was so happy to hear than my oldest boy read it while on his first mission on the newly renovated Ohio.


103 posted on 02/17/2006 12:31:06 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Sounds of choking/dying/barfing.

I think Gatsby is very much highly overrated, myself. It tells the sordid soap-operaish story about the rich and pampered in a rather weird time of American history.

You might as well have picked Babbit.


104 posted on 02/17/2006 12:35:51 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Borges

Dickens is considered low brow by most of the critics and Tale is not his most important work but it is one of the most accessible and fascinating clearly demonstrating the contradictions of the Revolution and its mixed impact. Sidney Carton is one of his most memorible characters and of course the book has some of the most well known phrases of any novel. There should be a new movie made of it since it would be perfect for the big screen and highly exciting as well.


105 posted on 02/17/2006 12:36:40 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: najida
Moby Dick is hysterically funny. It's a comic novel to be sure. And Lolita is fantastic but I don't know why you read it as a 'young girl'. Just because the subject matter is adverse doesn't make the novel depressing. A great tragedy is upflifting.
106 posted on 02/17/2006 12:36:58 PM PST by Borges
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Lewis doesn't have anywhere near the lyricism of TGG.


107 posted on 02/17/2006 12:37:34 PM PST by Borges
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I think Gatsby is very much highly overrated, myself. It tells the sordid soap-operaish story about the rich and pampered in a rather weird time of American history.

That's only because it's 2006, and because of imitation and proliferation, the story and style has become trite and hackneyed by now.

108 posted on 02/17/2006 12:40:56 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Borges

I just read Middlemarch a few months ago and did enjoy it but found it annoying too. The characters where just too annoying for me to place it high up. Too predictable and the heroine drove me crazy.

I thought the Hamlet trilogy much more interesting than The Sound.

The Possessed more clearly showed Russia's fate than F&S which was ok but a bit too simple.


109 posted on 02/17/2006 12:42:22 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: najida
Can't see it with Moby Dick, that's for sure.

I'm actually re-reading it right now, and I've got to say, Melville's description of a New Bedford church and a sermon given therein, in chapters 7, 8, and 9 (The Chapel, The Pulpit, and The Sermon), are downright chilling they're so spot-on and good.

110 posted on 02/17/2006 12:43:28 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: nopardons

Any comments madame?


111 posted on 02/17/2006 12:44:30 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Borges
I read Lolita in high school I believe (or early college). With my history, it was NOT a good choice. It was twisted and Nabakov didn't have a clue of how a young female mind worked (the jerk).

I think the 'great tragedy is uplifting' is a matter of taste and personal makeup. For me, reading a tragedy makes me angry at wasting that chunk of time and being made sad when I wasn't before. Maybe some folks don't have enough misery or exposure to suffering so they need to find it in books.

I do, have and continue to do, so books are my relief from reality.

Some folks are just more sensitive I guess. Again, I find that the realm of what is labeled 'great' literature is pretty much a one size fits all attitude and it ain't my size. But if I say so, its a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. "What! Why didn't you like _________!" Saying it was a bore, too sad, I hated the characters, I wanted the damn thing to be over just makes folks look at me.....well, puzzled.

Even worse, is when I say "It didn't give me what I wanted, it left me unsatisfied. All this writing and time was spent on Y when I really wanted to know more about X! And Z!"

So, I just sit there saying "I like trash! I read it and I may even write a bit from time to time.... Thank you very much! And those authors and publishing houses will get my pennies until the day I die!"

And Moby Dick...the whole whale harpooning thing just made me cringe. I was rooting for Moby (wish he'd bitten off more of Ahab to begin with and we wouldn't have had to endure the book).
112 posted on 02/17/2006 12:49:04 PM PST by najida (Gluten free, Sugar Free, Low Salt, Low Fat, High Fiber = Eating grass for the rest of your life.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Billy Budd was better than Moby Dick, IMO. Then again, nobody's asked me for my list of great novels ;)
113 posted on 02/17/2006 12:50:26 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: justshutupandtakeit

As a native Russian speaker I prefer the literal translation 'Demons' to The Possesed. But that's a great, great novel indeed. But again 'Fathers and Children' (another direct translation) predates it by almost a decade (and evern Notes from Underground by a few years.)


114 posted on 02/17/2006 12:50:27 PM PST by Borges
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I guess all I'm saying is I don't care about anyone in Moby Dick....

Except for the Whale :)


115 posted on 02/17/2006 12:51:30 PM PST by najida (Gluten free, Sugar Free, Low Salt, Low Fat, High Fiber = Eating grass for the rest of your life.)
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To: najida

Nabokov didn't try to portray a young female mind. It was only Humbert's delusions about what Lo was really thinking that we're privy to. And my statement about tragedy is good old Aristotle.


116 posted on 02/17/2006 12:51:57 PM PST by Borges
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Billy Budd was better than Moby Dick

Apples and Oranges.
117 posted on 02/17/2006 12:52:33 PM PST by Borges
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To: Melas; Xenalyte

PING


118 posted on 02/17/2006 12:53:27 PM PST by Borges
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Billy Budd was better than Moby Dick, IMO.

I've never read it, but it's on my list. Thanks for the heads up.

119 posted on 02/17/2006 12:55:19 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Borges

Again,
I'm not Aristotle. I'm just me, and I know what I like.

And I won't fake liking something because I'm told it's great, or important, or brilliant when I find it a miserable bore hun ;)


120 posted on 02/17/2006 12:56:08 PM PST by najida (Gluten free, Sugar Free, Low Salt, Low Fat, High Fiber = Eating grass for the rest of your life.)
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