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Fact, Fable, and Darwin, Part 1
The American Enterprise Institute. ^ | February 2005 | By Rodney Stark

Posted on 02/10/2005 1:06:55 PM PST by restornu

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To: PeterFinn

Since you've set the general tone of the debate with scatology, why would those of us who abjure such vulgarity care enough to be courteous to you? Wouldn't it be pearls before swine?


21 posted on 02/11/2005 6:51:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

The author is a sociologist, which is a contender for the most worthless degree in the universe.


22 posted on 02/11/2005 6:52:46 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Uggghh...that made my head hurt.


23 posted on 02/11/2005 6:53:35 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: PatrickHenry
Rodney Stark was professor of sociology at the University of Washington for many years and is now university professor of the social sciences at Baylor University.

Baylor has turned into a bit of a pit. The only reason they got included in the Big 12 was big influence in the Texas political scene. They're really just a Bible college masquerading as a University.

24 posted on 02/11/2005 6:54:21 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: PatrickHenry
The author is a sociologist, which is a contender for the most worthless degree in the universe.

No...I would have to say that one is just above an Education Major.

25 posted on 02/11/2005 6:55:12 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: PatrickHenry
The author is a sociologist, which is a contender for the most worthless degree in the universe.

"What percentage of Americans under 40 would like fries with that?"

Ethnic studies is still the champion, though.

26 posted on 02/11/2005 6:56:02 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: I got the rope
... just above an Education Major.

Some education majors can at least play football. Sociology majors can't do anything.

27 posted on 02/11/2005 6:58:49 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I'm reading Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator" right now. It deals with this very issue, among others. Very informative for the lay person that knows little of science.

If you want to know a little more of science, pick up a textbook. If you want to feed irrational prejudices, go right ahead with Strobel. Just don't kid yourself you're learning any science.

28 posted on 02/11/2005 7:02:00 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping. The author of the article sure used a lot of words, a true artist. I couldn't find where he/she had made a single viable/tenable argument anywhere in it though. It takes a lot of talent to say so much and so little at the exact same time.


29 posted on 02/11/2005 7:02:59 PM PST by contemplator
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To: curiosity
I think it's worth a ping because of the credibility the AEI has among conservatives. This is no fringe organization, but a highly influential thinktank. We need the regulars here to refute this nonsense before it becomes respectable.

Yes, I had a fairly high opinion of AEI. On the other hand, here's a list of their fellows. What field of human learning would you say is conspicuously absent?

30 posted on 02/11/2005 7:04:46 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: PatrickHenry
sociologist, which is a contender for the most worthless degree in the universe.

Hey, that's not fair. Merton, Williamson, and others have provided invaluable insights into the functioning of human institutions, which are now being applied in corporate finance, business strategy, and, more broadly, institutional economics.

Of course, they did most of their stuff 40-50 years go. I'm an financial economist, not a sociologist, so I'm not up on what they're up to now.

31 posted on 02/11/2005 7:05:35 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Right Wing Professor
I have no doubt he got stuck at Baylor after getting denied tenure at UW. Big step down. I'm surprised he advertises it.
32 posted on 02/11/2005 7:10:42 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Right Wing Professor
What field of human learning would you say is conspicuously absent?

They're a political advocacy institution, not a scientific one, so I don't think it's fair to hold against them their lack of scientists on the staff. That being the case, however, they shouldn't be pontificating on science.

33 posted on 02/11/2005 7:14:20 PM PST by curiosity
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To: PatrickHenry
About the author, the article ends with this: Rodney Stark was professor of sociology at the University of Washington for many years and is now university professor of the social sciences at Baylor University. He is author of For the Glory of God (Princeton University Press) and other acclaimed books on science and religion.

Actually, they're not being completely forthcoming with the truth. He was a Professor of Sociology and Comparative Religion at U. Washington. He's still listed on the comparative religion faculty. Looks like most of his published work has been on religion.

Now why would they have omitted to mention that?

34 posted on 02/11/2005 7:22:54 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: curiosity

Nah, his first job was in 1955. That would make him born circa 1937, which means he's 68 or so. I'd guess he retired at UW, moved somewhere warmer (and dryer), and gives an occasional class to a more simpatico audience than he was used to at UW, to supplement his TIAA-CREF.


35 posted on 02/11/2005 7:29:17 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: restornu
I write as neither a creationist nor a Darwinist,..

Thus outing himself as a Creationist. No other group has to explain their position at the beginning of an article.

36 posted on 02/11/2005 8:09:08 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry
The author is a sociologist, which is a contender for the most worthless degree in the universe.

Did you notice those quotes? Those are all common creationist canards that you usually see on every creationist website that purports to have quotes from established scientists on what they think of evolution. I'd bet the Quote Mine Project has each of them already there.

37 posted on 02/11/2005 8:09:33 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: restornu
But the boundaries between species are distinct and firm – one species does not simply trail off into another by degrees.

Had the author given any evidence of such, it would have been interesting. He fails to define where he thinks a species boundary lies.

38 posted on 02/11/2005 8:11:02 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: curiosity

AEI has no credibility as a scientific think tank. By pushing really stupid articles like this one (which even uses the cats into dogs or vice versa canard), they lose credibility in other fields. No one can afford to take them seriously on other issues such as the greenhouse effect or social security reform.


39 posted on 02/11/2005 8:14:44 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PeterFinn
I will taunt you and fart in your general direction..

Typical of Creationists. No science, just noise.

40 posted on 02/11/2005 8:16:50 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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