Posted on 10/02/2004 3:48:27 PM PDT by Quix
Bump for study.
(Thanks.)
Whether it always shows hereon or not . . .
The Lord, God Almighty HAS LED me repeatedly through many . . . long, intense lessons in brokenness and humility. Thankfully, my Chinese students readily saw the results.
And, praying for such as well as The Lord's Love to flow through; and for His Wisdom . . . since Jr High--God tends to answer such prayers whether we like the means, or not! LOL. But I still feel like I'm in kindergarten on all such things . . . sometimes despairing of learning enough, fast enough. Too soon old, too late smart.
Thanks for your exhortation.
Thanks you.
ANOTHER DREAM RE BUSH:
Dream About George Bush
Clo DiPilato
Dearest Friends in Jesus,
Pass this one on, as you are led to do so.
I had a dream last night about George Bush, both junior and senior. In my dream, they got onto a ship, and it seemed there was an arm of this ship that was dangling out over the ocean. There were many people also with them in the arm of this ship that extended over the water. (It reminded me of the arm of a crane, and a ferry boat all mixed into one, something I do not know if even exists, but it was wide and long, consisting of a deck able to hold many people.)
Something happened that shook this arm , causing them (George Bush Jr. and Sr.) to be flung out to the far end of this ship to the very edge of the arm, and the arm bounced, as if it was done deliberately to throw them out into the water. But they caught the ledge, and were not thrown overboard.
I believe George Bush, Sr. represents people on George W. Bush's staff/team/cabinet who also worked in previous administrations, who are vital to the strength and wisdom of his presidency.
This dream also makes me wonder if there is an "enemy within" who is going to shake things up within the next few days. And the fact that it was an arm, extending far out into the water, etc........makes me wonder if this has to do with some foreign policy issue.
Please pray about this, that the end result.........he stayed IN the ship, even if "hanging on for dear life", be prophetic of what will be the outcome of this election.
I have not been reading or viewing any of the words coming forth from well-known prophets (or not so "well-known" ones, whom I would definitely respect as having the word of the Lord) at this time to know what others are saying on the matter, and am just simply giving a dream I had which I believe have been from the Lord, and I am telling it as a dream. It's up to the Lord's people to discern if it is coming forth with the validity of a true prophetic word. Time will tell.
May the true word of the Lord stand in this matter. He rules in the heavens above, and in the affairs of men below.
All glory to Jesus, and in His Love,
Clo DiPilato
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Dream About The Election
Russell Yoder
I had this dream Saturday October 23, 2004
It was like a two part dream and I don’t remember much about the first part because I didn’t write it down but it was about President Bush.
In this dream we were in the same house… what I remember is that he was like a father figure in relationship to me or maybe it represented a connection between him and the common people, or even the church.
The second part I remember real well. The President (Bush) and his wife were standing in my computer room in the basement of my house (I was sitting back away watching).
He had a notebook or papers on the counter and he was practicing a speech pertaining to the election. He looked resolute, sounded strong and in fairly good spirits. Then his wife either noticed or he showed his hand to her… around the entire edge of the little finger was a deep reddish purple sore or infection. Just seeing that made me want to pray for him.
I said "Mr. President, I would consider it a privilege if I could pray for you." He seemed genuinely grateful for the offer and to pray. I began in pray for him for wisdom and strength and help in preparation of this speech. I felt power in the praying and he did too, and nodded in appreciation.
I woke up as I was praying for him in the dream and continued praying in the natural… about the sending and ministry of angels for him. Then I wondered what that was all about.
I didn’t really have time to think a lot about it or write it down that morning. I had stuff around the house to do and made an 11:00 O’clock appointment at the healing room at church.
Anyway after a good day and the late service at church Saturday night I went home ate supper and went to bed. I woke up during the night when I looked at the time of the digital clock light shinning on the ceiling… the time was 3:33. Reminded me about what Pastor Anita was saying about Jeremiah 33:3.
I just was thinking over all the neat stuff over the past couple weeks (I could write 10 pages!). Then I remembered the dream about the election… and I wondered what the President’s sore finger was all about… almost immediately I realized the finger nail represented the President’s lead in the election, or his hold of the office. The infected nail could easily be pulled off or even fall off if the infection got worse.
My thought was this is a call to the church to pray for ‘healing’ of the circumstances causing this infection.
For your discernment, In Christ Jesus, Russ Yoder -------------------------------------------- There have been reports of some evil advisor(s) getting Bush's ear in the last 6 months or so.
AN EXHORTATION THAT JESUS IS OUR HOPE--NOT A MAN, NOT EVEN A PRESIDENT AND NOT GOVERNMENT:
ANOTHER PROPHECY FROM BILL SOMER'S SITE:
ANOTHER PROPHECY FROM BILL SOMER'S SITE:
ANOTHER PROPHECY FROM SOMER'S SITE--ABOUT JUDGMENT:
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Prophetic Insight for America
Via Nita Johnson
[This material is extracted from Nita Johnson’s latest newsletter.]
From Sally Miller
I was trying to wake up and all of sudden I was taken into a place where I was stood up as an observer and this is what I saw:
It was dark all around then, a transparent map of the USA came into vision. There were lights all around the outline of the contiguous states and lights depicting various cities.
Then, a coffin, draped with the American flag, was lowered diagonally over the heartland portion of America. (Incidentally, the coffin is used by Muslims not Christians.) The head pointed toward the very NW of the USA (Alaska), the end pointed toward the very SE part of the USA (Florida). I thought, "Who died?", and as soon as I thought this, I heard the words, "Death to America".
Then I noticed movement to the left of the vision, and I saw President Bush step into the picture. He looked at the coffin hovering above America, and his look was that of a Father pondering the near, possible death of a Beloved Child, and his heart was wrenched...wrenched.
At the same time, from his heart, came a POWER and the power was pure love for America. It was pure and his heart was broken. I saw this love as a living essence... it was not a gushy feeling rather, it seemed to carry within it the very life of God. This Love was a personality.
Then I noticed movement to the right, and John Kerry stepped up. When he looked at America, his look and his heart were of cold, absolute hatred for America. I am not saying necessarily that Kerry hated America, but the spirit that drives him hates our Nation. I saw this clearly as this living hatred flowed from him.
This is what made me shudder and shake for so long when I came out of the vision, and I still feel sick when I think about it. This hatred was alive. The power of the hatred was sickening. Just as I felt a living love coming from Bush, I felt a living, alive personality of hatred coming from Kerry.
(Again, I am not saying necessarily that this is John Kerry, the person...but I also can't deny what I saw and felt. It is the power that drives him.)
The next thing I saw, coming from the right side of the vision, were the 2 hurricanes, Ivan and Jeanne. You know how the Weather Channel shows hurricanes as angry red swirls? I saw these vibrating, violently angry swirls of hatred coming toward America.
It's hard to describe all of this, but, under this churning, living hatred named Ivan was written "Russia"; under Jeanne was written "France". Well, Ivan is Russian for John, and Jeanne is French for John. Then, I saw both of these hurricanes gather more and more power and momentum and thrust themselves into John Kerry. And the longer they churned in the waters, the greater was the hatred/death being thrust toward America, not by the person John Kerry but by the power that drives him.
What I feel is that a strong, strong spirit of death has been thrust against America. It's like there's been a "gathering" of powers that carry death. These will be funneled against America if Kerry or his equal is voted into office. I don't even know how to describe it. I do believe I was seeing the plans of the enemy and not those of God.
From
Jennifer Kirsch, a powerful intercessor from Canada
Hi Nita,
Last year at almost this exact same time I had a strong intercessory burden that lasted from September through October and then pretty much lifted. Last week this same burden came back and seems to keep increasing in intensity. I feel as though He has shown me some things but I'm not really sure the timeline of it all. So, wondering if you might have any insight.
The burden is to pray for protection for the "food supply of America". I feel as though something wants to come and bring widespread devastation to crops, vegetation, etc. and ultimately destroy the harvest.
It will greatly affect America but will have ripple effects in Canada and around the world because exportation of goods will be reduced to a trickle. It feels like the threat is for the "harvest season" but the widespread effects will be felt most during the winter months. The devastation will push some farmers into bankruptcy and have a deep affect on the American economy.
As I was praying over the email you sent regarding Mobile, AL, I found myself continually drawn back to pray for protection of the food supply. I have since done some research but at the time I had no idea what kind of crops, produce, etc was grown in the southern states.
I felt a threat specifically against Louisiana grain/wheat crops, a bean that they widely grow (soy), and trees of some kind. In Alabama it was livestock- specifically chickens, as well as crops.
Then I saw a map of the States. A large area was highlighted in a murky yellow color. The highlighted area reached from the upper northwest corner of Florida across to Louisiana. It then continued upward through the Midwest States making a path all the way to North Dakota across to Wisconsin. I felt the harvest was in jeopardy of being wiped out all the way through this area.
I saw American farmers who had worked so hard, many for so many years. They were worn from the hard labor of farming. In one season they lost everything they had worked so hard for. I saw the pain and anguish in their faces, for they had no way to hold on after such a devastating loss.
As I was wondering about why the enemy would be able to bring such destruction during the harvest, I saw a number of uncovered wagons that were used in the old days.
Soon a number of white men came and hurriedly began piling bags and sacks full of grains, produce, etc onto the wagons. I knew that the goods were not their own but that they were plundering the harvest that was being stored up for the winter months.
They were stealing the supply from the natives, leaving them with no food reserves for winter. I saw a mother holding a child who had died from starvation in the winter months. The scene replayed and this time it was the whites stealing food from the African American.
Is America soon to reap the harvest of bad seed planted so many years ago?
Blessings and love,
Jen
From Ray our African Liaison
Dear Mama
I was caught up in a vision over America. While I stood beholding the beauty of the country, I then saw a man walk into a gas Station smoking a cigarette and with His left hand he held so many sticks of cigarettes. As he got close to the pump of the gas station he dropped the sticks on the floor. He kept waiting expecting something to happen. The attention of so many people was drawn to him.
Suddenly I realized that those sticks of cigarettes were bombs. I looked further and saw great confusion and the people around him began to say things in my hearing. Among them were great African American Ministers within the Nation. They were saying this nation is no longer safe for us. Our security system has failed us. Let us go to the Nation of Africa where there is peace.
While that confusion was taking place the man who dropped those sticks stood by expecting those bombs to go off, but they didn't.
The Lord spoke these words to my hearing. "Pray for the Nation of America that their oil is not hurt. Pray for the security system of America to be strengthened. Pray against suicide bomber attacks on the Nation.”
This is what the Lord told me. So, please Mama can you pray along with me? Pray that the Lord will avert the evil in the land.
YOUR SON,
RAY
From Sayo Ajiboye who heads our African Ministry Division
May I ask; what is "The root of America”? I came back early from school this afternoon and spent some time in quietness and prayer. It was like what Ray saw was repeated in a different picture format.
This time around, it is like young men - more than one - were in many different locations and had bombs tied to their waists with instructions to "strike at the root of America."
As these pictures continued, it was like a group of beings went almost "unseen" and removed what was like the pin of the grenades, the detonator of their weapons and these young men at the point of attack were wondering, confused, and caught out in the open with their weapons on them that would not work.
It was very vivid and I came out of these series of impressions with the distinct question, “What is the root of America?”
I don’t have too many of these pictures but when I do they are so vivid and this afternoon stayed right in front of my eyes like a repeating slow motion film. I can still see it again.
I think that there is some linkage with November... I believe that the unseen beings are his watchers activated by the cry of the saints. Sayo
Dear Reader, these are all words that warn of impending destruction. Yet, all can be diverted with repentance and intercession. The Lord spoke to me in two very special times of intercession. At such times as these, the finger of God spells out my intercessions line upon line. He instructed me to pray the following:
1. Pray that Osama Ben Laden will be brought out to a place of vulnerability along with his key men so that America can capture them.
2. They are planning a major strike that would be far worse than 9/11 if fulfilled. But I want you to pray that I [GOD] will thwart their intentions.
3. Pray that the purpose of God’s very heart will be fulfilled in the earth.
4. Pray that the hand of God will overturn the darkness and spread light across the earth.
5. Pray that President Bush will fulfill his destiny.
6. Pray that America will fulfill her destiny.
7. Pray for the heart of America to be turned to do God’s will.
8. Pray for repentance that God’s judgments might be overturned.
In a very powerful vision, I saw Gabriel, the chief Angel over all of Africa. He was dark and beautiful. He came to say, God will not let Hitler interrogate the earth. Even as he spoke I understood that the spirit of war that drove Hitler drives Osama. But God will not let him interrogate the earth. We will pray God’s will and He will answer!
Revival
A couple months ago I was in prayer when the Lord thrust me into travail for America. I felt the throws of a mother in birth pains. I labored under this for some time. Then I felt two critical birth pains grip me one after the other. I couldn't speak.
It was the Priestly ministry of the Holy Spirit praying the Father's will through me in words too deep for utterance. Finally, I felt a release then I had a vision.
I saw myself holding a healthy baby that looked to be about 10 lbs or more. Then the Spirit of the Lord spoke saying, two birth pains to go and revival will be in your hands, stay faithful.
We are working with all our hearts in faithfulness and obedience to bring America into revival. The Lord promised me four years ago that if I would conduct the Gathering of the Eagles for Him He would give us revival through our obedience.
Those who believe help us carry a great burden for our Nation through their attendance, . . . and/or their intercession for us and America. Their names are being written in the Lambs book of life as those who paid the selfless price because of their willingness to do what others couldn't or wouldn't.
When revival falls it will be those selfless saints who the Church will look to and be compelled to thank for their sacrifices. Until then we continue in obedience to birth the greatest move of God's glory the world has ever seen.
We love you and trust you to stand with us in any way you can.
Loving Shalom,
Nita
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Strikes On The USA
Mike Tucker
Major U.S. Explosion
05/2004 I dreamed the following:
I saw a woman talking on a phone. She was wearing pearls around her neck and a Southern style sun-dress. While she was looking out the window, an explosion went off in the distance. Her eyes were filled with terror at what she saw then her skin quickly melted and peeled away from her face (I could not bear to see more of this dream scene, somehow I was able to close my eyes).
Then I was taken to where the bomb went off. I stood next to the actual bomb and saw it sputter once (as if it might not go off) but then it fully exploded and formed a thin but high mushroom cloud. All around it, oil refineries and huge storage tanks went up in the explosion and added to the explosion.
Then I was taken to a warehouse at a port loading dock. I saw several cargo boxes being loaded at different times. In them, I was made to know that the parts of the above bomb were contained and concealed. And this is how it entered into our land.
Then the visual part of the dream ended, but this name was spoken three times with increasing volume and intensity, "Abu Muwahbe... ABU Mu-wah- be... ABU MU-WAH-BE", and the last name was clearly pronounced syllable upon syllable. Then I woke up.
Meaning: I believe the bomb was in fact a nuclear device placed near a major oil installation. The mushroom cloud and great care taken to smuggle the bomb in suggests it was not conventional. The woman was clearly in Southern attire and suggests that a Southern port city with oil refineries is the intended target.
[QX: MY CONCERN IS HOUSTON]
I beg my Brothers and Sisters in Christ to pray that this event be put back and this Abu Muwahbe be revealed or captured.
A Foreign Ploy
08/2004 I dreamed I saw a map of the Western U.S. coastline stretching from Alaska, Canada and to the continental U.S. coast. On the British Columbia coastline, I saw a large exclamation point.
The next scene I was taken to that specific point on the map. Several men were unloading something from a boat. As I looked at the men, I was made to know that they were Russian (though they wore nothing to signify such a thing, they were quite ordinary looking). They unloaded a black raft with green camo covering it. As I looked at the raft and the bulk beneath the camo, I was made to know something very sinister was in the raft.
I believe this dream indicates that a Russian force (may or may not be government backed) will unload a deadly weapon in the U.S. through the Canadian border. The type of weapon was not revealed, but it was extremely deadly (Biological?).
The Lord God operates under love and mercy. These events do not necessarily have to be allowed. Let us pray this nation will turn from her ways and the church will wake up from its slumber before the day arrives.
Jesus is the Ark!
The Earth Was Having A Sonogram
Jana Alcorn
Leader, Creation groans, awaiting the manifestation of His manifest Presence in your life.
The impact of this month, November and December will be felt throughout eternity! Prioritize your life to maximize the Glory of God! He is faithful and He never changes. This is the season to align and to adjust for the harvest of the earth is ripe!
Even tho I usually do not share on this level, I feel that I must relate a dream I had this week.
This morning (Monday morning, October 11, 2004) I dreamed of a pregnancy. But it was a very strange and unusual pregnancy. This dream disturbed me because what was being birthed was so huge that it was disturbing to my natural mind.
This pregnancy was so extremely huge. In my dream, I tossed and turned disturbedly as I tried to figure out what this was and what it meant. It was huge; too big for a human to birth. It was like a human pregnancy, yet so very big. Seemingly too huge to be a human pregnancy. So in my dream, and even in the natural, I kept tossing and turning, being troubled and praying over and over. I was in earnest prayer as to what kind of pregnancy this could possibly be.
It was so gigantic, so mega, that it seemed that a human could not contain and give birth to something so large. As I continued to toss and turn, to pray, and to be troubled, I looked and saw the most remarkable sight and then I understood.
THE EARTH WAS HAVING A SONOGRAM!!!!! The whole earth was pregnant!!!
I woke up praying and God had Romans 8:22,23 in my mind and in my mouth.
Romans 8
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Leader, I believe that the interpretation of this dream strongly suggests that this is the definite season for the "birthing" of all the prophetic words of God for our generation in the whole earth.
Let's take a look at the three groans of Romans chapter eight.
1. Creation Groans
All around us we observe a pregnant creation. The difficult times of pain throughout the world are simply birth pangs. But it's not only around us; it's within us. The Spirit of God is arousing us within. We're also feeling the birth pangs. Romans 8:22 The Message Bible
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Romans 8:22 KJV
2. The Spirit Groans
So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance. Romans 8:26 AMP
3. We Groan
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Romans 8:23 KJV
INSIDE THE SEED
Hebrews 7:25 -- Seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them. Make a demand on the intercessors of your ministry.
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The Outcome Of This Election And Mount Rushmore
Mark Kaphaem
There is a great change coming to the United States with the 2004 Presidential election. We are standing at a great crossroads. This evening the Lord came to me and showed me a picture of Mount Rushmore. I saw the faces of John Kerry and George W. Bush each in turn upon the Mount. The current men on that Mount are George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln & Theodore Roosevelt.
What I feel the Lord is saying, is that the next President of the United States will have as great an impact on the Future of the United States as those four past President on Mount Rushmore did combined.
I also feel the Lord has given the outcome of this election to His church if she will rise up and take it. There has been a heavy spirit on the church but it is lifting this last week before the election. The Lord is giving strength to pray if we will rise up and receive it. Call out for truth to be revealed. For truth is our strongest weapon at this time.
Before the 2000 election I had a vision of a man kneeling over the city of Washington and praying. I saw him holding two plaques with the ten commandments on them and the likeness of George Washington standing behind him.
Who is the man I saw? Why was George Washington standing behind him? Why was he holding the ten commandants?
The Lord has given us great leaders in the past to help carry us through desperate times. We stand at a fork in the road. Our Nation is divided. Which way will she turn? What will it mean to her destiny?
We have been given a week to pray. Rise up bride of Christ.
Mark Kaphaem
ANOTHER FROM SOMER'S SITE:
PROPHECY RE SWING STATES FROM SOMER'S SITE:
GREETINGS.
A couple of inputs from two different FREEPERS.
One FREEPER IS FEELING that MANMADE [well, in their own words]:
I live on the West coast and *feel* something disastrous [and man made] is incoming [to/via Los Angeles area] ...not far away [in time, I think].
My concerns, wary expectations were wrong.
My hopes and wishes were wrong.
I expected--until Osama's tape--that there would be a terror attack sometime between Friday and the end of election day.
I expected Bush to win by at least 50-100 electoral votes.
Did I and many like me just not pray SUFFICIENTLY fiercely? Did we wimp out a bit too much on our spiritual warfare?
I don't know. I'm thankful for Bush wining. I'm disappointed in the margin. I'm disappointed re the implications for the Supreme Court.
I'm thankful for Thune. Was praying earnestly late into the night about that one as well as Iowa and NM. I even prayed that Michigan and Wisconsin would go Bush when the dust finally settled.
Welllllllllllllllll, we shall see what transpires next.
Blessings and thanks to all who prayed and put legs to their prayers!
THANKS. Great post. Below will be another KIM CLEMENT prophecy re the President but first comments on yours.
SRG: 2005 will be called the "Year of Fear". Terrorists will infiltrate and strike on US soil. Casualties will NOT be as predicted by terrorists because this Nation is still under God's protection...
QX: I suspect you are right. I do believe more terror attacks are on the way. I believe God will moderate the degree of devastation for HIS purposes and glory. I think He will serve notice thereby that He's not all that thrilled with the USA and it's demonstrated values and dastardly, evil actions of the populace and government the last several decades and especially not with the trends.
SRG: Democrats will blame Bush and republicans for the war on terror bringing attacks upon US soil... but the terrorists will be defeated.
QX: No doubt. Certainly the DIMRATS will do that. I think they will become more shrill and idiotic unless and until they began to be shut up literally and terminally by God almighty and by events.
I do hope and pray that there's massive defeats on the part of the terrorists. I do suspect that terror will be with us for quite a while to varying degrees. I believe those varying degrees will depend in part on how responsive we are as a populace to God's wooing and judgment/disciplines. Light will be getting lighter and dark darker--how many choose life over death will determine how much more death transpires, imho. What do you think?
S4G: Signs and Wonders will signify God's judgement of the nations.
QX: Yes, I agree. I believe HE WILL BE MIGHTY in behalf of those who demonstrably and authentically LOVE HIM and are called by His Name fittingly and authentically. And He will be fierce against the ungodly and against those called by HIS NAME who are opposite in heart and deed to HIS PRIORITIES.
S4G: Events will unfold which will leave no doubt that God is real and that He is moving against the true evil in this world. It will literally scare people to death.
QX: I agree. I think the interplay of that drama will surpass the intensity, excitement, fierceness of the interplay between phoney protagonists on movie screens.
S4G: There will be an unprecedented christian outreach and victory in the US and abroad. Christ's church will stand up as they never have before, as victory after victory for God comes to pass as He moves to crush His enemies beneath his feet.
QX: I agree. Not sure to what degree. Perhaps it will depend on how prayerful, repentant, unified, Loving, truthful, loving-in-truth-ful servant-hearted, sacrificial etc. that Believers are in their daily lives toward their families, toward one another and toward the hurting world.
He will be crushing lots of enemies. I pray it becomes and believe it will become abundantly clear what the criteria are and the precipitating populace behaviors and orientations are which engender God's discipline and judgment. I believe and pray we will begin to see that authentic believers are massively much more protected, supported and supplied vs the evil doers being devastated, terminated and obliterated.
But I wonder and am a bit concerned as to how quickly that will become how obvious--especially to the man in the street. And then, there's the blind who refuse to see the obvious.
I also don't believe that the hangers-on; the insincere; . . . trying to get on the gravey train band-wagon of the protected, supplied and blessed authentic believers--I don't think they will make-out very well at the goodies window. God will be intensely and seeringly focusing on the attitudes and intents of citizen hearts. Window-dressing and phoney stuff will be slided and diced quickest and most severely, imho.
For example, I'd expect that precincts which fought most fiercely in behalf of abortion etc. and showed rampant voter fraud will be most devastated by quakes, fires, disease, terrorists etc. The courts and police will learn that they can't hold a candle to GOD'S DISCIPLINES and judgments.
I believe that JUDGES THEMSELVES will begin to notice that THEY CHIEF among the citizens are bearing a greater brunt of GOD'S JUDGMENT as God takes out of this life those judges which are brazenly deciding against HIS priorities. If the citizens will behave in Godly ways especially toward God and other believers and the hurting--then God will begin to do far more than citizens have done, even, at the voting booth--to cleanse at least regions of evil doing judges. Not sure how much or how fast this will come about but that it will be a significant aspect of the years ahead.
S4G: For the Christian, it will NOT be a time to fear, but rather a time to rejoice... to stand up... and to reach out.
QX: I agree. Though I think the discipline and cleansing of THE CHURCH will continue faster and more intensely and first before that of other citizens. And there will rightly be some Godly fear of such a discipline, cleansing process. People will begin to fall over dead in services who have lied and played brazen games with God and with His truly anointed and humble servants. Ananias and Saphira types of incidents will become fairly common place.
I believe that people will count the cost more seriously about claiming to be Christian and about acting authentically like Christians. Those truly Loving God will pay the price and receive the reaping of that sowing. Those in rebellion, gamey-ness, pharisees, rank hypocrites etc. will find, in many cases, their lives cut abruptly short and that in public meetings where they dared to defy or pretend their black hearts were white.
S4G: For the unbeliever, it will be a final opportunity to reconsider accepting God's grace He has offered through His Son Jesus Christ.
QX: CERTAINLY
Sometimes I've gotten very despairing and frustrated with prophetic voices and messages which have seemed, and even been evidently diametrically opposite in message content. I am beginning to think it may be another case of GOD'S BOTH-AND tendencies.
God often, in my experience, observation, perspective cuts across our categories and expectations and instead of EITHER/OR actions takes a BOTH-AND action or stance.
I think there will be BOTH SERIOUS JUDGMENT AND CALAMITY--AND--BLESSING, PROTECTION, OVERCOMING, JOY.
The critical difference will be heart attitudes toward God, other believers and the hurting world. A Jesus' like heart attitude will foster one stance of God toward the individual, family, household, and neighborhood, city.
An opposite heart attitude will incur incredible suffering, calamity, judgment, obliterations. I don't know how much or how quickly or how much such this year. But I believe we will see the beginnings of such phenomena. I'm reminded of the 2 in the field, one taken, one left. I know that's typically taken to be about the hotly disputed RAPTURE issue. And perhaps it is. But it could also be about God taking the tares out of the wheat in whatever ways.
Below is an interesting prophecy and bit of info about the President and Kim Clement. I mostly believe Kim is a man of God. I mostly believe that because of watching him worship God. He IS IN LOVE WITH GOD. That's impressive with me. I can give him lots of grace because I've seen his heart flow out in worship toward God. He has evidently been accurate more often than not. I don't keep a score card on him. I don't mind if he is learning to fill his office and learning to operate in his gifting.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:35 PM
Subject: A prophecy
For those who may not have read this prophecy it is note worthy. Kim Clement predicted the capture of Saddam a half month before it happened and he predicted the victory of GW. Read about his time with GW before the elections. Judy
Nov 2, 2004
In honor of President George W. Bush, posted below are a few words of prophetic significance given by Kim, regarding his destiny to lead our Nation. Just recently, on October 12, 2004 Kim was privileged to personally minister a word to President George W. Bush in Paradise Valley, AZ. (Picture to be posted soon!)
October 24, 2004- Humble, TX
"The Spirit of God has announced that, you have looked at candidates for the next four years. I have looked at a man after my own that will pray. I am looking and have searched for a man who would pray in the house called White, and I have found that man.
He shall pray. He shall pray sturdily, powerfully, until the year 2006. . . and a great storm shall rise upon America.
But because of the prayers of George W. Bush, I will save this country from a damage and a destruction upon your economy and upon your children.
Yes, you may look at this prophet and say, what would he know about American politics? But I have taken the mantle that rested upon Ronald Reagan in the heart and have placed it upon this man—President Bush. For what purpose? To bring again honor and dignity to the office of the President of the United States of America.
[Quix: would add--to bring Glory to God, as well!]
Nations shall come one by one and they will say, we were mistaken. France! France . . . who once buried the dead of American soldiers because they fought for you. You will repent for what you have done secretly. Three tthings shall be exposed because of transactions that took place in France and two other nations. And they shall be repentant.
QX: PRAISE GOD FOR THAT--WHAT A MIRACLE THAT WILL BE!
And your allies will increase. Four of your enemies shall become allies, and in the Middle East I will raise up honor because of what this Nation has done. Rejoice, for I am raising up laughter and joy upon your Nation.
QX: That sounds wonderful. Praise God. I don't want to be skepical but faith-full. It does feel right in my spirit.
A record has been broken. A President has broken a record. I see headlines. Impossible! Nothing, nothing, nothing is impossible.
And they are going to say it's impossible because of what happened in this election and what happened with the President that broke a record. Listen to me. Nothing is impossible to those that believe.
QX: I don't doubt that! Praise God!
This should be a very, very fascinating year. I pray we get some space to work hard for The Kingdom before the smothering cloud of darkness of the world government encroaches even more. Kerry would have rushed it in. Bush and God will hold it off at least for a season--hopefully for 4+ years.
Thanks for your post S4G. LUB. LUB. LUB, Blessings,
There's some interesting prophetic docs within 30 posts above and below this one.
Now that the election is over, perhaps this one, at least, would be worth your time.
I'd certainly be interested in your responses.
I have met John and Paula Sandford. One of their leading assistants used to live with me. I have found him authentic. I'm just now finishing reading their excellent TRANSFORMATION OF THE INNER MAN.
I would trust what he's saying way above 99% of others in the prophetic arena. In any case, it also resonates with what I and some others of my closer Believers Brothers and Sister have been feeling for months.
Please prayerfully consider this and pray as led. Blessings, Quix.
This was on Trumpet wind so maybe you have seen it...Line this up with what came out of the White Dove conference about nuclear war........NOT COMFORTABLE....Meri
From Diane Czekala
Pam, I sent this to some people and I almost sent it to you. Now I feel I should send it to you. It confirms this prophetic word and it is a call to prayer. This is about John Sandford and it happened on Oct. 14th.
Hey everyone!
I went to a conference this past weekend where John Sandford was speaking. He is the founder of the inner healing courses, Elijah House Prayer Training, I took and now am facilitating. He is the spiritual father of John Paul Jackson.
I never saw him like he was. He said he was taken up to the counsel of the Lord here in NY just Friday morning. (Oct. 15th) God asked him, like God spoke to Abraham about Sodom and Gamorah.
The Lord asked him if He should take his hand of protection off America because of all the immorality here and bring America to her knees. Many would be killed. He knew it was an atomic bomb and it was way bigger than 9/11. Or should He give America more time. More time meant a lot of pain & suffering.
He thought about it and remembered that 9/11 had brought people to their knees but only for a short time. He chose more time. God said the cost would be great. When this happened to him in the past God confirmed his answer that he would give more time. This time it was not confirmed. He felt it depended fully on the prayers of the people.
I never saw John Sandford so humbled and shaken. He was so solomn and said he was shaking in his boots. I knew he had been through some experience. It brought us to tears & intercession. We have been spreading the word to people to pray, pray, pray! God is contemplating taking his hand of protection off America. It does not look good. Although I feel it is best that Bush is president.
Prayer is the only thing that will protect America. Even if we get more time God said there would be much suffering. Our hearts join God in grieving over the sin in the world. John said to repent, repent repent for the sin of the world. one by one repenting for all the sin in our country.
It was comforting that Bush won because of values. I told God, see, there are more of us who want morality. Pass this word on. Does anyone know how close we are to some large city being attacked with an atomic bomb? The only reason it has not happened yet is because of our Good Lord! And many cities being effected by this, not to mention the fear in the whole country?
Pass this on to anyone. Either way our country is in for some judgement. But lets gather and pray that people come to Him by grace and not by a bigger disaster. This just happened 10/15/04 in Syracuse, NY!! For such a time as this. I am feeling lead to pass this on to as many as possible for intercession and repentance for all the sin in our country. Pass this on to anyone you feel lead to. I feel a great urgency in my Spirit! Blessings, In Jesus Name, Diane
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