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My understanding is that Flynn offered martial law as a way to seize evidence of election rigging in 2020. I am not so sure that he was a full on advocate of it, but if he was, it was an error of judgment.

He retweeted a call for martial law, and then there were multiple press reports that he urged it to the President in private. Also, check your messages.

Martial law for any reason would have been a crossing of the Rubicon in constitutional terms even if it was justified.

Agree. Even if you're right...we've lost. And the proof that Trump not declaring martial law was the right move was him regaining the Presidency in the next election.

According to NYT Best-Selling Author Ralph Pezzulo, based on information from former CIA officer Gary Berntsen and his Venezuelan whistleblower counterpart, we do have the proof. Those two sources created a slam-dunk air-tight legal case and presented it to the DOJ. Their witnesses included about 20 Venezuelan engineers who actually created the Smartmatic software that was then passed on to Dominion for use to subvert the US elections. The DOJ is re-interviewing the witnesses so they have their own investigative product, and according to Pezzulo (who wrote “Stolen Elections” detailing all this information) the DOJ will prosecute these crimes soon.

The first election Venezuela et al stole was the 2006 democratic primary in Chicago, and every Presidential, Senate, and House race since then has been decided by Venezuela/China/Cuba/Serbia. The exception that he mentioned is the 2024 election, in which the server in Serbia was blocked from accessing the databases and stealing the election for Kamala. Pezzulo didn’t say it but Q alluded to the 2016 election being won by Trump in the same way.

Trump has several times said that we caught them all and we have it all.

And the “they” who have been caught includes not only these foreign adversaries but US officials (and probably media) who have been bought off by the cartels. Notice that Trump has immediately gone after the cartels, gangs, and Venezuela. It also includes George Soros and the Open Society Foundation as well as USAID and friendly democrats. This is why I said in an earlier comment that the make-up of the legislative branch is going to change. Once these prosecutions happen and the ability to steal elections is destroyed, the US won’t be hostage to these foreign communists any more. We can actually get people in office who WILL drain the swamp.

This is a 45-minute interview but Pezzulo is pretty concise and the whole thing is worth a listen. Note that a google search for “Stolen Election” doesn’t bring up Pezzulo’s book nor anything else but just the vomit the left keeps swallowing again and again. I suspect that if they dig deeply enough they will be able to connect a lot of these leftist crooks to this multi-nation communist warfare. And that’s what it is. It is covert war.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8F_16dKNuk

What if the courts and state officials are bought off by the cartels (as we have proof of being the case)? Jena Griswold in Colorado was so blatant that she actually threw in jail the elections officer who caught Dominion in the act of deleting records legally required to be retained. In Georgia Judge Amy Totenberg was shown evidence right in front of her eyes of how an election could be stolen with just a pencil - but she threw out the case. These are just the most blatant examples but even these cases have no legal remedy for justice to actually be done.

May I remind you that the courts told Donald Trump that it was none of his business if an election was stolen from him? The lawyers have all the legal jargon they need to keep anybody from doing anything with election fraud (not ripe/ too early, too late, no standing, state v federal, federal v state, non-justiciable, no law expressly requiring accountability, etc) . Just like the judges are keeping the DOGE information of gross fraud from being used to stop that fraud. The judges are so corrupt it is impossible for justice to prevail.

And one of the key reasons for martial law is if the government itself is so corrupt that it cannot complete the necessary functions. At that point the military can recognize that the USA has been taken over by belligerents. At that point, if the courts themselves are non-functional, military tribunals can be put in place.

And anybody who’s seen the crapola coming out of DC and NY courts knows that our courts HAVE been taken over by belligerents.

What do you say should happen if foreign governments, through bribes, etc, take over the entire functioning of government within the USA? Keep in mind that the normal functions of government do not work in that scenario because they are all taken over by foreign governments.

What if the courts and state officials are bought off by the cartels (as we have proof of being the case)?

To be honest, if you believe it has been proven that the entire U.S. court system was bought off by drug cartels for the 2020 election, I don't think there is any point in continuing this conversation because we are living in different realities.

I'd also point out that not a single GOP majority state-legislature in a single state Trump claimed he won backed those claims either.

We are a representative republic, and our representatives did not buy those arguments. Tossing all that out the window and saying that subjective beliefs are enough to trigger martial law is fundamentally screwed up.

Twenty Venezuelan software engineers who have told us how they did it and why is not “subjective beliefs”.

I agree, though, that continuing the conversation with you is pointless. We have totally different ideas of what constitutes evidence and a totally different allegiance to going wherever the evidence leads. Relying on the ffact that the spineless gopers don’t care about evidence either is an argument from authority; a logical fallacy that carries no weight with me.

Nobody has testified yet. There has never been a trial where anybody was ALLOWED to testify. “See no truth, hear no truth, speak no truth” is the guiding principle for all the worthless RINO’s you appeal to as authorities.

But if you listen to the link I provided (Here, I’ll provide it again, in case you missed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8F_16dKNuk ) you know that there are about 20 Venezuelan engineers who have given witness statements describing exactly what they did and why. The DOJ is right now conducting their own interviews so they have their own work product for bringing people to trial, but the slam-dunk evidence is already all collected.

This is not my opinion; this is witness testimony and I’d be willing to bet there are also some records to back up their accounts. Donald Trump has said several times that “we have it all” and “we caught them all”.

Ask a military man what to do when the political system has gone bad and a national election is stolen and they are prone to think of martial law. Ask a lawyer what to do and they will say file suit. Ask a politician what to do and they will say win the next election. Yet none of those approaches are a full answer to the problem. We are lucky to have survived the Biden years and lucky that Trump survived two assassination attempts and then was elected again. And we are by no means assured that our Republic will survive the perils that it faces.

Ask a military man what to do when the political system has gone bad and a national election is stolen and they are prone to think of martial law.

I'm a Naval Academy graduate from way back, and have a large social circle of retired officers, up to and including those with 4 stars, in both the Navy and Marine Corps. And the overwhelming reaction from them was that Flynn was acting like a nut. And I was a combat arms officer, not a lawyer, in the Marines.

The people I knew all took our oaths to the Constitution very seriously. Even the ones I knew who thought the election was stolen believed that martial law was a horrible idea. Honestly can't think of one of who supported it.

Here's the thing -- the Constitution gives us the method for resolving election disputes. That is the job of the courts, and the state legislatures. And even Congress. In 2020, we had control of the Senate, the Supreme Court, and a majority overall within state legislatures. But not one of those concluded that the election was stolen. Not the Senate, not the Supreme Court, and not a single legislature in any of the states in which we were challenging.

If you take an oath to support and defend the Constitution, ignoring all that in favor of second and third hand information -- which was all Flynn could possibly have had -- was incredibly irresponsible. A declaration of martial law would have destroyed the republic. Because you would have had a whole lot of officers who -- quite properly -- would have said "no, I am not following these orders based on claims that haven't been accepted by Congress, the courts, or a single state legislature."

Nobody has testified yet. There has never been a trial where anybody was ALLOWED to testify.

Before a trial, you're going to have pleadings and motions in which affidavits or sworn declarations based on first-hand knowledge that are submitted as part of those pleadings. So, where are the affidavits on which you are relying? If court cases and pleading were actually filed -- whether they got to trial or not -- those sworn statements will exist.

Here is a perfect example of why you and I have a disconnect on what constitutes evidence:

But if you listen to the link I provided (Here, I’ll provide it again, in case you missed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8F_16dKNuk ) you know that there are about 20 Venezuelan engineers who have given witness statements describing exactly what they did and why.

That video proves nothing - certainly not that 20 Venezuelan engineers have admissible evidence of large-scale election fraud. What your video does prove is that two guys -- the only two guys on that video -- are claiming that 20 (unidentified) Venezuelan engineers have (non-specific) claims of election fraud. Two guys talking on a podcast and claiming that 20 other people said something isn't evidence. It's rumor. A listener has absolutely no basis for knowing whether what they are saying is accurate, or not.

That is the problem. Show me the actual affidavits submitted by those engineers, and I'll listen. Or at least enough direct quotes from those affidavits to prove the point and to provide the context of exactly what they're testifying about. Otherwise, it is all just second-hand (or perhaps third or fourth hand) garbage.

I agree with your reasoning and conclusion -- but with the qualification that there are circumstances when a Republic falters and politics becomes a naked struggle for power. The question to have asked your colleagues is, if the 2020 election was thoroughly corrupted by foreign manipulations, what role should the military have? Idle bystander as a matter of principle? Or caution and deference because martial law would not produce a useful outcome?

Apparently, what Flynn (and others) wanted was military seizure of the ballots, machines, and election materials in order to assure an independent and reliable evaluation of election irregularities in 2020. That would have been a limited exercise of military force aimed at properly evaluating the integrity of the election. My guess though is that the Biden people, the media, and the election steal crew were ready for that. There would have quickly been a series of court orders against the military and a deep division within the military and the country at large.

Flynn, like many genuinely dedicated people, seems to have fallen into the trap of what the psychologists call an "overvalued idea." In plain terms, Flynn seems to have become a fanatic due to genuine and truly felt distress about the stolen 2020 election. I have seen elections stolen before and know that they can be survived if played on the bounce. That is not an experience that military men tend to have.

And there are times when the US military covertly intervened in American politics. I believe that US military intervention with FDR got VP Henry Wallace off the ticket in 1944 in favor of Truman. In essence, the military correctly balked at Wallace's communist ties and acted to avert a Wallace presidency.

In any event, Flynn deserved better from the country than the spurious and bad faith prosecution instigated by James Comey and the FBI. Those malefactors ought to be in prison and Flynn should be compensated -- financially, of course, but not with a prominent position in the Trump II administration.

The question to have asked your colleagues is, if the 2020 election was thoroughly corrupted by foreign manipulations, what role should the military have?

That's the third question to ask, but you'd only ask that one if you first get satisfactory answers to two others:

1) How should military officers determine that the 2020 election was thoroughly corrupted by foreign manipulations at a level of certainty sufficient to justify military action?"

2) Did that actually happen in this case?

I think that the idea that martial law should have been declared in 2002 founders miserably as soon as you answer that first question. So again, my point is that absent any significant support from state legislatures, a Republican-dominated Supreme Court, and a Republican-controlled Senate, military officers cannot and should not make the determination that the election was "thoroughly corrupted by foreign manipulation". And if it tries to do that without any of that support, it will destroy the Republic.

That is, unless you are going to also argue that 1) the Supreme Court; 2) the Senate, and 3) the state legislatures, all are also controlled by these same foreign agents. That would have been a claim that also lacked any support in 2020, in addition to being absurd on its face.

Now, if you want a completely different fact scenario in which mass election interference is inarguably proven and self-evident, and that there is no reasonable way to dispute it, different situation. So if you want to create such a scenario, I can tell you what I think the military should do. But I imagine that would be very fact specific.

The problem with election challenges is that, no matter the truth, the time frames are highly compressed and the legal and factual requirements are daunting to the point of often being impossible in practice.

Worse, in 2020, the fix was in, with Bill Barr, the FBI, and the DOJ determined to give no help to Trump. In effect, they were deliberately acquiescent in the 2020 election steal.

In any event, the authority of the Supreme Court, Congress, state legislatures is limited and they cannot acts without sufficient facts being presented in a timely manner in the proper form and forum. As the old saying goes though, laws are like cobwebs, they restrain gnats and flies but do not hinder wasps and hornets.

Was the 2020 election stolen? I believe that it was. I have seen a few stolen elections over the years, and 2020 had sufficient indicia of wrongdoing to convince me that it was stolen.

In time, I believe that enough facts will be established to prove the 2020 election steal and show how it was done. Congress and the Trump administration seem to be making progress in getting the proof.

In time, I believe that enough facts will be established to prove the 2020 election steal and show how it was done. Congress and the Trump administration seem to be making progress in getting the proof.

If there weren't enough facts for the Supreme Court, Congress, or state legislatures (the latter two of which don't require any particular legal form or format before acting), and we are still waiting ("in time...") for that kind of proof to emerge, then the military surely had even less information, and was in absolutely no position to take the extraordinary step of seizing power to hold a new election.

Ralph Pezzulo is a very credible author. He has seen what the two whistleblowers have and says it is a slam-dunk case. These are VERY SPECIFIC claims of election fraud IN WHICH THEY WERE DIRECT PARTICIPANTS.

True, we haven’t seen the affidavits yet because the DOJ is just doing their own interviews. But Gary Berntsen is about as credible a CIA source as you’re ever going to find and the author who details the evidence he has found is also very credible. It seems to me like you have to be calling them liars if you are going to write this all off, and use your own dismissal of the evidence as reason to slander Mike Flynn. Keep in mind that these guys were warned by everybody within the govt that they talked to (prior to Trump’s 2024 election) that they needed to go into hiding because they would be killed. These people are putting their lives at risk, as well as their fortunes since they could be sued by deep Venezuelan money for libel if what they say is untrue. Yet you sit there at your computer and glibly imply that they are all putting their lives and finances in jeopardy for a lie. You who most likely have no skin in the game at all. I speak as one who has lost a husband because of the research I’ve done that the corrupt Obama regime didn’t want exposed. Those who tsk-tsk outside the arena and slander those inside the arena (who are putting everything on the line battling wolves in the name of patriotism) are a very special kind of lowlife, IMHO.

In the case of the election cases, I believe the cases were dismissed before any affidavits could be entered. In one particular case, AG Barr killed the investigation even though there was (IIRC) a sworn affidavit from the driver who delivered ballots from China to locations where they were needed. The corrupt machine kills investigations even when there are direct witnesses. Heck, the whole state of Wisconsin is a case in point. The cops knew before the 2020 election that there was voter registration fraud going on in a massive degree - with the gal who was caught even saying that was the case - but the judges wouldn’t let anybody do anything about it.

It is a waste of my time to discuss with you. I’ll just say that when the evidence all comes out I believe that in this case - as with nearly every other instance I’ve seen of your posting - you will be shown to be on the wrong side of history. Let’s just leave it at that.

I think that’s what Justice Thomas basically said in his dissent to SCOTUS’s refusal to hear the lawsuit filed by about half of the states protesting the electors chosen by a process diametrically opposed to what the state legislatures prescribed. The Constitution only considers electors those who are chosen as prescribed by the state legislature so those “electors” don’t fit the Constitutional definition for “elector” and thus should not have been counted. But SCOTUS ruled that it was already too late because they had already been counted and certified.

Note that the courts which in less than a day can file emergency orders to stop Trump from being able to deport illegals doesn’t have near the same urgency when it’s the whole democratic process of the USA that is at stake. Tells ya something right there...

For the sake of the illegal immigrants, standing, ripeness, pecuriarized harm, justiciability, properness of the venue, etc can all be overlooked but when the very existence of the USA as a democratic Republic is at stake all those things can and will always be used to stop anybody from making sure the Constitution is actually obeyed.

Which is particularly interesting given that illegals are specifically part of this world-communist plot to subvert the USA and steal elections all over the globe. Judges will bend over backwards to make sure that the communist plot is able to continue unhindered by something so quaint as the Constitution. It will be very interesting to hear the specific names of the officials who were bought out by Cartel del Sol in order to steal every House, Senate, and Presidential election since 2006, according to the whistleblowers.

The precedents that were set when the ineligible Obama was being forced onto us lead me to believe that our current legal system is impossible. When AZ SOS Ken Bennett requested a letter of verification of Obama’s Hawaii birth, all the “legal eagles” were up in arms because there wasn’t a specific law that not only authorized that particular action but also MANDATED that particular action. Common-sense protections were being called unlawful because every step of every process was not mandated.

In Colorado Tina Peters was thrown in jail because she actually made sure that records ALREADY LEGALLY REQUIRED TO BE RETAINED were actually preserved. When Congress tries to pass a law saying that the citizenship requirement for voting in federal elections must be upheld by checking the SS database for citizenship, the legal battlecry is that the feds can’t tell states how to conduct elections. Etc ad nauseum.

With the legal community, the ABA, etc the way that it is, the country has become ungovernable, IMHO.

What’s infuriating is that the “letters of verification” that not only Ken Bennett but also KS SOS Kris Kobach and the MS Democratic Executive Committee received were actually confirmations that Obama does NOT have a valid Hawaii birth certificate, because all 3 of those documents had only the seal of the HDOH Director, which by law has to have the Director’s signature nearby in order to actually certify anything. Loretta Fuddy’s signature was not on the document so the seal didn’t certify anything. And the only lawful reason for the HDOH to not issue a certified letter of verification is if the facts requested to be verified are not found on a legally valid birth certificate. If there was a valid birth certificate they would have to issue a certified verification that there IS a valid birth certificate in their office, even if the birth facts requested to be verified are not what is on that valid birth certificate.

But who would have ever had “standing” to do anything about the fact that Obama was not eligible? The lawyers have so botched things up that there is no “controlling authority” for anything.

I think we’re only going to get out of this mess by God’s grace and intervention, and by exposing the ongoing coup this country has been suffering under since 2006.

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