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If your loyalty is outside the US you're not fit to serve in government
Flopping Aces ^ | 10-30-25 | DrJohn

Posted on 11/01/2025 10:47:03 AM PDT by Starman417

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To: Uncle Miltie

The the Dual Citizenship Disclosure Act (H.R. 7484) introduced by rep. Tim Burchett has not passed and was only introduced in the 118th Congress.
While the bill passed the House in July 2024, it has not been enacted into law and must go through the full legislative process, which would include passage in the Senate and signing by the President.
I’m thinking its chances in the senate (referencing current events) are Slim and none, with Slim having left town.


21 posted on 11/01/2025 12:24:18 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Uncle Miltie

If you open the door to one group with possibly divided loyalties, you open it to all groups.
Sincerely,
American-Americans


22 posted on 11/01/2025 12:26:21 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

Israel is extremely strict about immigration, something most of us would like to see here.

What is probably the confusion here is that Israel is extremely LENIENT on immigration by Jews from anywhere. I quite suspect that any of the Jewish Congresscriters would be ALLOWED by Israel to immigrate in. It’s quite favorably known as “Making Aliya”, and it’s a huge deal. These congresscritters would probably be welcomed with open arms in Israel and could choose to become Israeli citizens, just like any proper Jew in the world (this poster being quite separately disallowed).

To my knowledge, none of these congresscritters have made Aliyah. The could, but haven’t.

That’s probably the confusion.


23 posted on 11/01/2025 12:27:18 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: cowboyusa

LOL!

JINOs.


24 posted on 11/01/2025 12:28:17 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: tumblindice

Catholics, for example?


25 posted on 11/01/2025 12:28:53 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: tumblindice

So you agree with my facts?


26 posted on 11/01/2025 12:29:31 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: tumblindice

Standing by for your answers to my #25 and #26.

Well?


27 posted on 11/01/2025 12:35:52 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: Starman417
Do not forget the shocking number of foreign born judges who decide cases against the GOP and Conservatives.
28 posted on 11/01/2025 1:28:08 PM PDT by zeestephen (Trump Landslide? Kamala lost the election by 230,000 votes, in WI, MI, and PA.)
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To: Angelino97

I don’t use the term “dual-citizen”, I call them “half-citizens”. I don’t care if it’s Mexico, China, Israel, Ukraine, the Brits, Pakis, Polacks, Indians.... you name it.

There are wayyyy too many foreign loyal people in our government.


29 posted on 11/01/2025 1:56:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (When men on the chessboard, get up and tell you where to go…)
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To: Starman417

We shouldn’t allow dual citizenship. And we doubly shouldn’t allow it in political or government office at all.


30 posted on 11/01/2025 1:57:09 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Starman417

We shouldn’t allow dual citizenship. And we doubly shouldn’t allow it in political or government office at all.


31 posted on 11/01/2025 1:57:09 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: tumblindice

Nothing?

Well, I’m happy to have straightened out that factual difficulty you were having, and noting that many people’s religions inform their politics.

Have a nice day!


32 posted on 11/01/2025 2:18:15 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: 9YearLurker

I agree. What is the current rule? I’m going to go look it up …


33 posted on 11/01/2025 3:14:57 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: 9YearLurker

Happily, dual citizen Congresscritters are already disallowed:

Q: Is it legal for a U.S. congressperson to hold dual citizenship, say both U.S. and British, at the same time and still be elected and serve in the U.S. Congress?

Grok:

“ No, it is not legal for a U.S. congressperson to hold dual citizenship (e.g., U.S. and British) while serving in Congress, due to a constitutional prohibition on holding titles of nobility or foreign office. However, dual citizenship is not an automatic disqualifier for election—the issue arises only if the person formally accepts or retains foreign citizenship in a way that conflicts with U.S. law after taking office. Below is a step-by-step breakdown based on the U.S. Constitution, federal statutes, and historical practice.
1. Eligibility to Be Elected (Qualifications for Office)
The Constitution sets minimum requirements in Article I:
• House: U.S. citizen for 7 years, age 25+, inhabitant of the state represented (Art. I, §2).
• Senate: U.S. citizen for 9 years, age 30+, inhabitant of the state represented (Art. I, §3).
There is no explicit ban on dual citizenship in these clauses. A naturalized U.S. citizen who retains citizenship in another country (e.g., UK) can meet the 7- or 9-year U.S. citizenship threshold and run for office. Courts and Congress have never interpreted these clauses to require renunciation of foreign citizenship.

Holding formal citizenship in a foreign monarchy (like the UK) has been interpreted by the Justice Department and Congress as accepting a “Title” or “Office” from a foreign state—specifically, the status of “subject” to the British Crown.
• This triggers the clause only after taking office (“Person holding any Office”).
• Congress has never consented to a member retaining citizenship in a foreign monarchy.

Etc….


34 posted on 11/01/2025 3:18:40 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: tumblindice

Waiting for your demonstration of my false statement or your retraction.


35 posted on 11/01/2025 3:19:40 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: tumblindice

“If you open the door to one group with possibly divided loyalties, you open it to all groups.”

What if a Ukrainian- or Russian-American whose family has been in the U.S. for three or four generations and holds only U.S. citizenship has an opinion on the conflict there, should they be allowed to serve in Congress and have their historic, familial and religious views inform their votes?

Please let me know your thoughts on this.


36 posted on 11/01/2025 3:23:01 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: tumblindice

Without checking each name I’ve spotted 10 who aren’t representatives anymore. A very outdated list.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES [27]

Gary Ackerman (D-NY) Shelley Berkley (D-NV) Howard Berman (D-CA) Eric Cantor (R-VA) David Cicilline (D-RI) Stephen Cohen (D-TN) Susan Davis (D-CA) Ted Deutch (D-FL) Eliot Engel (D-NY) Bob Filner (D-CA) Barney Frank (D-MA) Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) Jane Harman (D-CA) Steve Israel (D-NY) Sander Levin (D-MI) Nita Lowey (D-NY) Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) Jared Polis (D-CO) Steve Rothman (D-NJ) Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) Adam Schiff (D-CA) Brad Sherman (D-CA) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) Henry Waxman (D-CA) Anthony Weiner (D-NY) John Yarmuth (D-KY)


37 posted on 11/01/2025 3:29:03 PM PDT by CaptainK ("No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up” )
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To: Uncle Miltie

We’ve got a slew of dual citizens in Congress.


38 posted on 11/01/2025 3:34:39 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Interestingly, there have been dual citizens:

Grok:

“ Overview
Yes, there have been U.S. congresspersons who were sworn in and served in Congress while holding dual nationality (U.S. citizenship plus citizenship in another country). The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly prohibit dual citizenship for members of Congress—only requiring 7 years of U.S. citizenship for House members and 9 years for Senators (Article I, Sections 2 and 3). Dual nationality is common among foreign-born members or their descendants, and the Congressional Research Service (CRS) tracks demographics like foreign births but not dual status, as it is not a disqualifier. However, the Foreign Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8) could theoretically apply if foreign citizenship is seen as accepting a “title” or “office” from a foreign state without congressional consent, though this has never been enforced against dual citizens serving in Congress.
Recent legislative efforts, like the Dual Loyalty Disclosure Act (H.R. 946, 2023) and the Disqualifying Dual Loyalty Act (2025), aim to require disclosure or ban dual citizens from serving, reflecting growing concerns over potential conflicts of interest. But no such ban exists today, and historical examples confirm dual nationals have served without issue.
Key Examples
Here are verified cases of congresspersons who held dual nationality while sworn in and actively serving. These are drawn from biographical records, news reports, and official statements. Note: Many renounced foreign citizenship later (often for political reasons), but the question focuses on while serving.”

After which, Grok’s formatting breaks down. But example exist from Switzerland (Bachman), Canada (Cruz), Japan, Thai and Indian. Omar is probably also Somalian. Note the one country not on the list …

Nonetheless, I’m totally with you. Let’s pass a law to outlaw dual citizens holding elected office anywhere in America.


39 posted on 11/01/2025 3:35:59 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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To: 9YearLurker

Yes, but none of the 89 on your list. See immediately above.


40 posted on 11/01/2025 3:36:36 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (PLAUSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC POSTS: Hardspunned 90% Nitzy 88% Right_In_Virginia 84% Liz 50% Mac_Truck 32%)
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