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Has Xi Jinping Lost Control Of China's Military... And China Itself?
Gatestone Institute ^ | 10/19/2025 | Gordon Chang

Posted on 10/19/2025 9:00:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 10/19/2025 9:00:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No.


2 posted on 10/19/2025 9:11:49 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: SeekAndFind

Many of these maneuvers occur in the background. Most of the time, the people looking at long odds acknowledge they have lost, give up in hopes of leniency in the purges to come. But sometimes, they round up supporters and duke it out, with rival military and paramilitary units fighting on each side. That’s when it gets interesting, and the specter of civil war rears its pretty little head.


3 posted on 10/19/2025 9:28:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...

4 posted on 10/19/2025 9:28:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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Let me rewrite the article.

But it should have said is, I have no idea what happened in China and I have no idea what the consequences are for what happened in China and if I was not being paid somehow for the text that I just wrote, and I was thinking rationally, I would not have written it.


5 posted on 10/19/2025 10:07:11 PM PDT by Owen
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To: SeekAndFind

The CPC 4th Plenum has opened, and Xi appears to be on task outlining the economic and social goals for the next 5 years.
I think some of the predictions of Western and Western influenced experts are wishful thinking.


6 posted on 10/19/2025 10:19:43 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Of Gordon Chang, one reads: "...author of the 2001 book The Coming Collapse of China in which he predicted the collapse of China by 2011. In December 2011, he changed the timing of the year of the predicted collapse to 2012. "

So, he's only off by a couple of decades..... So far.

7 posted on 10/19/2025 10:50:43 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: SeekAndFind

Photo of General He.

After I failed as a standup comic I never recovered. The world will pay.


8 posted on 10/20/2025 12:49:56 AM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: sockmonkey
I think some of the predictions of Western and Western influenced experts are wishful thinking.

The west should wish Xi stays. He is incompetent in the same vein as Brain-dead Biden and Hor-izontal Harris. He has damaged the CCP to the point it is now facing a USSR-style collapse. The largest bureaucracy in the world is broke and needs to loot Taiwan for survival. Xi is the communist idiot that took them there.

9 posted on 10/20/2025 1:24:54 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: frank ballenger

[Photo of General He]

In the Democrat Joe Biden Administration it would have been:

Photo of General He / She / They / Them / Two-Spirit


10 posted on 10/20/2025 1:28:48 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Owen

Your 屁股 hurt?


11 posted on 10/20/2025 2:17:11 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: sockmonkey

This is all coming from other Chinese.

It may be wishful thinking or otherwise internecine and/or psychological warfare.

But it’s not originating with “Western and Western influenced experts.”


12 posted on 10/20/2025 2:20:22 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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--- "But it's not originating with 'Western and Western influenced experts'.”

A fascinating response, given that the thread's title is to an article by American China-expert, Gordon Chang. His resume includes the title about China's Collapse, but interestingly doesn't mention the dates, having incorrectly forecast said collapse by decades now.

Gordon Chang -- author bio

The Wiki on the thread's China-expert includes:

"When 2011 was almost over, Chang admitted that his prediction was wrong but said it was off by only a year, asserting in Foreign Policy that the CCP would fall in 2012. Consequently he made the magazine's '10 worst predictions of the year' twice."

13 posted on 10/20/2025 6:00:36 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Owen
I have no idea what happened in China and I have no idea what the consequences are for what happened in China and if I was not being paid somehow for the text that I just wrote, and I was thinking rationally, I would not have written it.

That's a good summary of every Gordon Chang article.

14 posted on 10/20/2025 6:04:34 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: ifinnegan

*** This is all coming from other Chinese.

It may be wishful thinking or otherwise internecine and/or psychological warfare.

But it’s not originating with “Western and Western influenced experts.” ***

When I used the term Western Influenced I include Hong Kong dissidents, Falun Gong (Epoch Times), Taiwan, and ethnic Chinese influenced by the idea of illusory freedoms they imagine the outside world enjoys.


15 posted on 10/20/2025 8:19:35 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Where do you think Gordon Chang gets it?


16 posted on 10/20/2025 8:55:39 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: sockmonkey

Ok Chairman Mao.


17 posted on 10/20/2025 8:56:17 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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---- "Where do you think Gordon Chang gets it?"

You mean, like being over two decades wrong about that collapse?

18 posted on 10/20/2025 9:04:35 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Non sequitur response.


19 posted on 10/20/2025 1:30:57 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan
--- "Non sequitur response."

Which ends our little exchange, for the response was not unrelated to Gordon Chang, evidence of his public errors, the title of the thread which logically dictates the comments which follow.

noun
-- An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence.
-- A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
-- Any abrupt and inexplicable transition or occurrence.

When trotting out Latin and rhetoric, it is wise to know of which you speak.
20 posted on 10/20/2025 1:42:32 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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