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Posted on 08/25/2025 2:40:55 PM PDT by DFG
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The Communists did almost nothing to fight the Japanese.
You are correct except for one small detail-- they collected an inordinate amount of the weaponry after Japan surrendered and used it to defeat the Nationalists in the 1949 Civil War.
Fifth columnists in our own government stood by and allowed and even encouraged that to happen. We paid for it dearly less than a year later when their client state in North Korea streamed over the 38th parallel and started a bloody war.
Maybe even Mao came to full power because of the Japs? I'd have to look it up but I'm busy. I hate Mondays without Monday Night Football. ;-)
The CCP AFTER consolidating power in Beijing killed more Chinese in its first few decades of power than did the Japanese in WWII. While the intentions of Mao’s Long March was to avoid the “encirclement” campaigns against the Communists by Chiang Kai-Shek, it was also true that Chiang’s forces were doing more of the fighting against the Japanese than were Mao’s at that time. After the Long March retreat Mao had time to rebuild his forces and when the Communists next faced Chiang’s forces Chiang’s forces were weaker; weakened by all the battles with the Japanese.
Yes, Chiang’s own corruptions did not serve the “nationalists” well, and even after his retreat to Formosa (Taiwan) he and his party continued the line that (just like Mao on the mainland) they - the nationalists and no other party could rule Formosa/Taiwan. We can only wonder if that would have been the position of Chiang and his group if they had defeated Mao. Would we have just a different surviving dictatorship in China today? China’s strong long embedded culture suggests that might have been the case.
One of the two most dangerous countries on earth (the other being North Korea) commemorating the end of a war?
As an historical footnote: the howitzers disassembled and reassembled by Giap around Dien Bien Phu were primarily US 105mm howitzers originally shipped to the Nationalist government in China.
The Communists in the Roosevelt regime were a gift that just kept on giving-- to the Soviet Union.
From the excellent book "Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joseph McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies", we see how these scumbag communists burrowed deeply into the State Department (Coe and Adler) and the Treasury (Harry Dexter White) conspired to advance the communist cause. The excerpt below discusses the subterfuge employed to derail money promised to Chiang Kai Shek.
The US government had pledged to loan $500 million dollars to the Nationalist Chinese government, and $200 million of that was in pure gold to be shipped to them. It never arrived due to the efforts of the three traitors mentioned above as described in the excerpt from the book:
ALL this Service-Adler collusion took place within a larger context of interacting forces in the U.S. government aimed at sabotaging Chiang. There were many such forces in and around the State Department, and these would become the subject of a huge debate that erupted in the days of Joe McCarthy. Second only to Service himself in pounding home the message was John Davies, who depicted the Yenan regime as “a modern, dynamic popular government,” called Chiang’s government “politically bankrupt,” and declared that “the Communists are in China to stay and China’s destiny is not Chiang’s but theirs.”16 Still other FSOs would reinforce these notions, playing up the supposed virtues of Yenan and the corruption, inefficiency, and other evils of the KMT. All this was subsequently amplified by press accounts from China that blasted Chiang and praised the rebels.
Less visible at the time, but equally crucial for the fate of China, were manipulations on the Treasury side of things, where concerted efforts were under way to enforce the policy of financial strangulation Adler had set forth to White. Records of this anti-Chiang campaign, including cables, memos and transcripts of meetings, reveal an astounding cast of players—White, Lauchlin Currie, V. Frank Coe, Harold Glasser, and Alger Hiss among them. And, when in the United States, Sol Adler would sit in as well. The operative principle seemed to be that at least two secret Moscow agents had to be in the room—and sometimes more than two—for the meetings to be official. The comrades must have been bumping into each other in the Treasury hallways as they made their way to these important sessions.
Especially notable were scenes in late 1944 and early ’45, bracketing the Adler memo to White on cutting off the flow of funds to Chiang. In these conclaves, Morgenthau kept asking his staff about the gold loan promised to KMT finance minister Kung. The Secretary was being badgered by Kung and was asking his advisers why the gold was not delivered. They patiently explained that there were technical issues, shipping problems, glitches; and anyway, the gold would be wasted on the corrupt regime of Chiang. An extremely candid version of the matter would be supplied by White, who admitted in so many words that the loan had been deliberately obstructed.
After his amazingly frank discussion of the gold loan record, White still undertook to persuade Morgenthau that the Treasury had been right in its obstructionism, “because the money is being badly used.” Others from time to time would discuss the issue with Morgenthau in similar fashion, suggesting that the gold be withheld or doled out in driblets. Among those arguing this were Adler, on one of his excursions back to D.C., and V. Frank Coe—who would later join with Adler in fleeing to Red China. All three of the Morgenthau advisers plying him with this counsel would show up in FBI records, congressional hearings, and Venona papers as Soviet agents.
Evans, M. Stanton. Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies (pp. 154-155).
Much like the Democrat Party and the Deep State of today works towards the same ends.
Also a huge number of the Chinese soldiers that attacked us in North Korea were nationalists that were captured in 1949 and did not manage to escape to Formosa. The communist Chinese used them as cannon fodder and didn’t care how many died. For the PRC it was a win win, get rid of soldiers of questionable communist bona-fides, and kill our men in there process.
The Taiwan team won the Little League World Series yesterday--but under the name "Chinese Taipei." I believe that the LLWS organizers force them to use that label because of the demands of Red China.
There was the Nanjing Massacre, and biological warfare research conducted on Chinese civilians- I’m sure the Chinese have been planning payback for a long time.
“A different surviving dictatorship would be more pragmatic, and be much less likely to seek regional dominance and global hegemony. It also would not have had the one-child policy and would likely have been more tolerant of religious practice. “
1. The path to democracy on Taiwan was not swift:
A. Lifting of Martial Law (1987): Chiang Ching-kuo, who succeeded his father, lifted the 38-year-long period of martial law on July 15, 1987. This was a crucial step that permitted the formation of opposition parties and eased restrictions on civil liberties.
B. First Opposition Party (1986): A year before martial law ended, dissidents founded the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), the first major opposition party. Its formation demonstrated growing pressure for political change.
C. Continuation of Reforms under Lee Teng-hui (1988–2000): Following Chiang Ching-kuo’s death in 1988, Lee Teng-hui continued the push for democratic reform, dismantling the KMT’s authoritarian structures.
D. Full Legislative Elections (1992): In 1992, Taiwan held its first full, free elections for the national legislature, signaling the end of the previous system where many representatives had held their seats since 1949.
E. First Direct Presidential Election (1996): The culmination of the democratic transition occurred in 1996 when Taiwan held its first-ever direct presidential election. President Lee Teng-hui won, but the event was significant as it marked the first time the people of Taiwan could directly choose their national leader.
F. First Peaceful Transfer of Power (2000): The KMT’s grip on the presidency finally ended in 2000 with the election of the DPP’s Chen Shui-bian. This marked the first peaceful transfer of power between political parties and confirmed Taiwan as a mature democracy. (51 years after Chiang left the mainland)
2. Economic conditions were the primary conditions in China that prompted the one-child policy. And, it might have been possible that under Chiang’s party and much earlier adoption of an open business market economy China might have avoided the level of poverty out of which the one child policy grew.
3. While a more democratic China may not have proceeded to be attempting to gain hegemony in Asia, there are elements of old imperial claims it might have decided to pursue, as does the CCP today.
4. I think the biggest international change, if the CCP had not won the civil war in China, is that we might have had today a united western oriented Korea today, as I don’t think a democratic China in the 1950s would have supported the North Korean dictatorship in the war it initiated against the south. Russian military assistance was no substitute for the nearly 3 million troops the CCP sent to Korea.
5. The lack of a CCP China and the lack of Communist North Korea would have changed the entire U.S.-Soviet-China geopolitical dynamic. It would have at a minimum made the Soviets even more insecure and defensive, with more forces than ever on the Soviet-Chinese border.
Thanks for your additional historical material.
Agree on all points, especially the changed USSR-China dynamic.
I was told the Russians agreed to fight Japan 100 days after the war ended in Europe. That would have made it around August 16, 1945. Opportunists. Would they have joined in if the bombs were not dropped? Let’s just say there was a lot of opportunity regardless.
Their primary focus was undermining the nationalists.
CC
Do you suppose that some of the commemoration events might be held in Nanjing?
Japan was very bad.
Ch8na is very bad now.
Make both known and attend.
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