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Is this really the new Yalta? That did not work out so well...
1 posted on 08/12/2025 11:08:44 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
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Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of a neocon seeking to keep the war going.

Trump needs to negotiate the best deal he can get, tell Zelensky to sign off on it and then eliminate our involvement with war if he won't.

Getting us out of the war is the only priority that matters.

28 posted on 08/12/2025 12:10:32 PM PDT by Kazan
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I think Zelensky should be asked to fly to DC and then fly with Trump to Alaska.

On the way to Alaska, the intelligence Trump gets can be read by Zelensky.

Unfortunately, the bargaining power of Ukraine has been dropping since the summer of 2023.

Riding with Trump to Alska might enable Ukraine to get a better deal.

What the Russians now want is lines on maps. Russia and Russians can live with what they have snatched, or another 100,000 or so Russian soldiers can die.


29 posted on 08/12/2025 12:24:42 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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comparing this to yalta shows a monumental stupidity


30 posted on 08/12/2025 12:25:36 PM PDT by pissant ((Deport 'em all))
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Have you ever been around a married couple who hate on each other and bicker and fight, and they just won’t stop?

For some of them, they won’t stop because they like it. Fighting gives them some dark joy.

The Russians are still fighting because they like it.


31 posted on 08/12/2025 12:27:38 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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The point is to get some movement. If Trump has gotten both sides to just think about a land swap that could lead to a lasting peace that's a huge gain.

Reminds me of TR's negotiations with Japan and Russia: neither side was happy with the treaty but the peace held until WWII.

32 posted on 08/12/2025 12:29:25 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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34 posted on 08/12/2025 12:43:09 PM PDT by xone ( )
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I am optimistic that we are going to see a deal between President Trump and Russia that leads to a cease fire in the near term

This will allow the suspension of martial law and the election of a leader who represents the will of the Ukrainian people

I hope the rhetoric from Zelensky and the EU is mostly performance art and posturing

Regardless, this meeting is likely the end of the road for the Trump Team if the Ukraine and the EU pull one of their patented monkey wrench opps on the Trump peace initiative.

If so, this meeting is the hand off of the war in Ukraine from the US to the EU and it gives Trump the perfect pretext to walk away without getting blamed for the impending disaster in the Ukraine when funding and weapons authorization ends in a couple months

40 posted on 08/12/2025 1:08:40 PM PDT by rdcbn1 (..when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.)
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Zelensky would just run his mouth and nothing would get done.


45 posted on 08/12/2025 1:33:15 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pureblood! No clot shot for me!)
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“27 October 2021”

“The Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 combat drone has been deployed at Donbas by the Ukrainian Joint Forces Operation for the first time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces said in a statement. The drone targeted the positions of pro-Russian insurgents on October 26. The incident has been met with criticism from Moscow.”

“The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stated that the unmanned aerial vehicle was used to attack a battery of howitzers that fired Ukrainian positions in Hranitne on the southern part of the line of contact. One Ukrainian soldier was killed and the other was wounded. Despite calls for a ceasefire from the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine, “Russian-terrorist” forces did not stop the fire. The Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ordered the drone strike to “force the ceasefire.”

“The Ukrainian Joint Forces Operation said on October 26 that separatists made thirteen breaches to the ceasefire”

https://warsawinstitute.org/ukraine-uses-bayraktar-tb2-first-time-donbas/


46 posted on 08/12/2025 1:33:21 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“With tensions escalating along the border with Russia, Luke Harding visits troops in Ukraine’s Donbas region to gauge the mood ahead of a possible invasion. The war here has continued since 2014, when pro-Russian separatists seized Ukrainian cities.”

There’s a video I didn’t watch:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/dec/16/on-the-ukraine-frontline-only-the-dead-arent-afraid-video


50 posted on 08/12/2025 1:42:29 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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New York Times [Nov. 15, 2021]

How a Dispute Over Groceries Led to Artillery Strikes in Ukraine

Deployed for the first time in combat by Ukraine and provided by a country that is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the drone hit a howitzer operated by the separatists. Things quickly escalated.

Across the border, Russia scrambled jets. The next day, Russian tanks mounted on rail cars rumbled toward the Ukrainian border.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-putin.html


56 posted on 08/12/2025 1:51:49 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Moscow Times [10/27/2021]

The neighboring separatist-held Luhansk People’s Republic accused Kiev of using the Bayraktar in violation of ceasefire agreements that ban the deployment of foreign drones on the front line.

The Kremlin said Wednesday that Turkey’s supply of drones to Ukraine risks destabilizing the eastern Ukraine conflict

The Ukrainian army has been locked in a long-running conflict with separatist fighters in Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014 after Moscow annexed the peninsula of Crimea from Kiev. The conflict has claimed more than 13,000 lives.

Ukraine and its Western allies accuse Russia of sending troops and arms to support the separatists, which Moscow denies.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/10/27/ukraine-destroys-pro-russian-artillery-in-its-first-use-of-turkish-drones-a75420


59 posted on 08/12/2025 2:10:37 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Quotes:

In anticipation of a broader collapse in Donbas, Ukraine has constructed a massive new line of fortifications across the rear areas of Donetsk Oblast....more than 350 km

Fortifications are built into forests and groves to avoid detection.

Small, decentralized strongpoints replace long, linear trenches to limit the damage from concentrated drone strikes.

much more at:
https://www.ryanjhite.com/2025/08/03/the-new-donbas-line-can-ukraine-stop-russias-advance/


60 posted on 08/12/2025 2:25:35 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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