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The Trump-Putin Ukraine Summit is Doomed to Fail
National Security Journal ^ | 8/12/2025 | Robert E. Kelly

Posted on 08/12/2025 11:08:44 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

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To: lodi90

To the Putinistas Putin has a “right” to any subversive, overt and covert, attempts he was making against an independent Ukraine, but all the west was supposed to be blind to any of it, tie their own hands, and pretend Ukraine “was not their affair”; no matter what Putin was doing.

The whole thing is a lie. Putin merely believes in a resurrected Russian empire. He has often enough said how the end of the Soviet Union was a major blow to Russia (because the Soviet Union was in reality the Russian empire with extensions after WWII).

The Russian problem is Putin. With the collapse of the Soviet Union he failed to take Japan as an example to follow. In peace and with trade post WWII Japan learned its economic success did not need the old empire and that it did not need to be a belligerent towards anyone. Without Putin Russia could have formed a true multi-party democracy and in foreign relations followed the example of post-WWII Japan. But that was never going to satisfy Putin’s ambitions; ambitions for the old Russian empire.


61 posted on 08/12/2025 2:26:49 PM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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To: pierrem15

I believe President Trump, not anonymous posters.


62 posted on 08/12/2025 2:36:48 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: lodi90

It has been a painful lesson. Not just the striking support for Russia, but the depths of that support and the rationalizations from Nazis everywhere to faggots taking over the world and on and on.


63 posted on 08/12/2025 2:39:03 PM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: Alberta's Child

Gibberish Ukrainians are fighting Russian invaders& have been for 3 years regardless of your propaganda. S


64 posted on 08/12/2025 2:45:22 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (Treason is the reason for Democrat Sedition & subvertion )
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To: PGR88

Trump is a business man Putin is a trainefield experienced KGB operative. This summit has zero chance of doing anything awful.


65 posted on 08/12/2025 2:49:56 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (Treason is the reason for Democrat Sedition & subvertion )
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To: Wuli
It’s preposterous to criticize Russia for a foreign policy that is no different than what the U.S. has had in place for more than 200 years.

Even in the last six months we have heard the U.S. Secretary of State threatening to take over the Panama Canal — which is more than 2,500 miles away from the nearest U.S. border — as part of this country’s “America First” foreign policy.

If the United States can have a Monroe Doctrine, then Russia can have a Putin Doctrine. THE END.

66 posted on 08/12/2025 2:50:50 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Although my eyes were open, they might just as well be closed.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Who says its legitimate for the U.S. to behave like Putin and that’s O.K.????


67 posted on 08/12/2025 2:59:15 PM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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To: Alberta's Child

If we cooked up a Trump Doctrine and invaded Panama wholesale, it would be a travesty. But US retained authority to maintain neutrality in the canal’s business, which the Red Chinese are trying to monkey with.

And we promised to defend Ukraine if it gave up its nuclear weapons, which previously deterred Putin’s voracious appetite.


68 posted on 08/12/2025 3:18:44 PM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: llevrok

Yes, when Reagan basically walked out at Reykjavik, it signaled the beginning of the end of the Cold War. This is nothing like that. Nothing like Yalta either, where a gathering of wolves divided up the prey.


69 posted on 08/12/2025 3:58:31 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: marcusmaximus

“Yalta worked out well for Stalin.”

It certainly did, but it was the Western Allies recognizing the realities on the ground. No one was going to fight to drive the Soviet Union out of Eastern Europe. Some loose talk from the likes of Patton and Churchill but war-weary populations would have none of it. The same applies to the current situation in the Ukraine. No one will fight Russia to drive them out of the stolen lands.


70 posted on 08/13/2025 12:44:52 AM PDT by rxh4n1
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