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To: MinorityRepublican

Hardly a new development.

I was saying he had to have a way out which allowed him to stay in power, at the beginning of the war.

He has continued to double down and double down. He is in a pickle as the war has devolved into a stalemate. He now depends on China, which has its own historical problems with Russia, for much of his income and ability to produce weapons.

I would much rather be in Trump’s position than in Putin’s.

Zelenski’s problem is different. He has to fight in order for the country of Ukraine to survive. He could have fled the country at the start of the war. The Biden administration encouraged him to do so.

Ukraine has grown more nationalistic as the war has progressed, it can still be destroyed. If it is, it will be a burden on Russia for decades to come.


3 posted on 08/01/2025 11:41:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I was saying he had to have a way out which allowed him to stay in power, at the beginning of the war.

I think there was an exit ramp at the beginning of the war. After the battle of Kyiv, Zelensky signs an agreement to pledge that Ukraine will never join NATO.

The Russian troops retreat to Crimea and the Donbass.

Ukraine has grown more nationalistic as the war has progressed, it can still be destroyed.

If Ukraine manages to hold on, they will finally be able to secure their sovereignty.

Before the war, Ukraine was on track to become another version of Belarus.

Zelensky spoke Russian, not Ukrainian.

4 posted on 08/01/2025 11:50:08 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: marktwain

I disagree.

If it was a stalemate, Ukraine wouldn’t be so desperate for a cease fire and end. They are desperate for it.

Attritional wars can appear to be a stalemate for quite a while, until one side can’t replace losses enough and there is a more broad and rapid collapse.

There was a way to stop this war with negotiations in turkey, which Boris Johnson convinced Ukraine to scuttle. They would have had drastically less people and territory losses had they agreed

zelensky and supposed pro Ukrainian Europe absolutely do not give a damn about hundreds of thousands more Ukrainian dead and maimed, actual Ukrainian desperately trying to avoid getting pushed into vans and taken to the front. Millions fled the country because they do not want to fight. Those outside are not volunteering at all

This article talks in terms of outings personal motives instead of Russia’s, which is totally misleading for the reader it is the opposite, zelensky is the one motivated by personal interests.


6 posted on 08/01/2025 11:54:33 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: marktwain

Drop the price of oil by $10BBL and Putin will come to the table. Should have done this 4 years ago.


9 posted on 08/01/2025 12:20:18 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (TDS much?)
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