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JUST IN: Jerome Powell Criminally Referred to the DOJ!
100 Percent Fed Up ^ | July 17, 2025 | Kaley

Posted on 07/18/2025 6:47:25 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

He and other RATs are likely stealing at least half of it.
Just like the fast train to nowhere in Calipornia.


21 posted on 07/18/2025 7:20:11 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Show me a RAT, I'll show you a felon.)
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To: conservative_cyclist
Be careful what you wish for.

The Federal Reserve Bank exists for precisely the same reason that the Bill of Rights exists, to shield us from our democratic impulses.

The Constitution protects freedom of speech from the mob, which is to say from the will of a Democratic majority, precisely because that is not a matter to be decided by counting noses. So it is when it comes to exercising judgment about interest rates that makes or breaks an economy. We have intentionally created an institution in the Federal Reserve that is to a great degree immune from the Democratic process.

In one sense at least, the Supreme Court is an analogous institution. To shield it from popular control, the framers installed Justices with lifetime appointments. We have passed statutes creating felonies for intimidating Justices. Similarly, we have installed Fed governors with seven-year tenures to insulate them from political pressure by the very president who appoints them. Indeed, the power of the president to fire Powell is not clear and would probably have to be litigated in the Supreme Court, no doubt for the same reason: to insulate the institution from political pressure, and from the will of the people.

As a chorus singing in unison, we conservatives deplored the lawfare that was mounted against Donald Trump because it was a means to circumvent our constitutional system. It sought to substitute (corrupt) judicial process for a Democratic process. There is a constitutional process to be brought against the president, impeachment, or elections if brought against a candidate for president, but lawfare was corruptly used against Donald Trump to evade the Constitution and the will of the people.

It now appears that criminal action might be brought against duly elected US Senator Schiff for, ironically, the same infractions that were corruptly brought against Donald Trump in New York. Is this a legitimate exercise of police powers, or is it illegitimate lawfare? Much would depend on the actual motivation of the prosecutors and on the facts of the case.

More, we can at least say that a United States Senator is not in the same class as a Justice of the Supreme Court or the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. A Senator is a political actor by definition, whereas the other two individuals have been intentionally immunized to some degree from political pressure. Honest prosecutions against political players like senators or even presidential candidates should proceed if and when the facts warrant.

I for one will savor all the schadenfreude about Schiff without the slightest qualms of guilt or hypocrisy. Donald Trump was quoted yesterday as saying words to the effect that the office of Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank does not require intelligence. That is just a silly statement equivalent to saying the Chief Justice's role requires no intelligence.

The Federal Reserve Bank was and is created as an effort to pry decision-making away from politicians because they are stupid and because they are whores. It is bad enough that our fiscal destiny is determined by a Parliament of whores, God save us from a monetary destiny determined by politicians.

That is not to say that we would be better ruled by experts and elites; that is to say that expertise must be balanced by checks and balances and a commitment to the Democratic will. It means that our institutions, whether the Supreme Court, the Federal Reserve Bank, or the United States Army, must be accountable to the people, even though the people are represented by a Parliament of whores.

Economics is not called the dismal science for nothing; it is opaque, plagued by lags and buffeted by forces that are as difficult to anticipate as a black Swan. There is virtually no economic issue upon which we are unanimous. That's why we have stock markets. A decision made today about raising or lowering interest rates will probably not show its effect for six months. Get it wrong and we can't get a mortgage, buy a car, or keep our jobs. So every hiccup in interest rates convulses the markets.

The temptation for politicians to monkey with interest rates is irresistible. Yet, the decisions are about matters coming months or years ahead, the tea leaves are difficult to read, the fog of uncertainty hangs over every decision. But politicians' horizons stop at the next election, yet they never want for confident opinions about what to do.

So we pass the buck to the Federal Reserve Bank just as we pass the buck to the Supreme Court, because we have to.

Attempts by presidents to influence decisions of the Fed, almost always in favor of lowering interest rates, is nothing new. Jimmy Carter and Paul Volcker are clear examples. Historically, presidents jawbone and even threaten Fed chairman. So Trump has threatened to fire Powell, but without much conviction, he has already said that he will now wait until the expiry of Powell's term next May.

Beyond earnestly wanting interest rates to drop to boost the economy to further his plan of growing our way out of our fiscal crisis, Trump probably wants to set up a scapegoat in case the economy goes south and his plan fails. So, jawboning and threatening to fire is well within the historic norm of presidents clashing with Fed Chairmen.

But Trump has done something more, he has threatened the chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank with criminal prosecution, and that over a preposterous complaint, alleged overspending on an office building for the bank. A billion-dollar overrun in a $7 trillion federal budget and a $30 trillion national economy. Do we really want the chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank to be forced to divert attention away from the economy to monitor the construction of a building?

Now, perfectly on cue, members of Congress picked up the cry and demanded criminal implications of the chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. Quite expectedly, the very conservatives who decried lawfare against President Trump now formed a vigilante committee on another thread to persecute Chairman Powell. That is regrettably to be expected as the normal an all-too-familiar routine reflex by too many of us.

Do we want to sacrifice the independence of the Federal Reserve Bank over this bagatelle? Do we want to open the door for sore-headed presidents to wage lawfare against the Federal Reserve Bank?

How will we get uniquely competent men who have risen in the private sector on merit to the point where they are making hundreds of millions of dollars to sacrifice that income and submit themselves and their fortunes to petulant criminal charges brought over differences of policy?

Is that what we should wish for?


22 posted on 07/18/2025 7:22:28 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: conservative_cyclist
This amazingly concise matrix that Miton Friedman used to convey the dynamic says it all:


23 posted on 07/18/2025 7:22:47 AM PDT by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
“This is huge…”

Seems like EVERY headline these days is "Huge", "Breaking", "Gigantic", "Holy $h!t, This is BIG!!!!!!!". It's kind of a turn-off.

What are the sensationalists going to do when something genuinely big does break? I'd imagine that a lot of people won't even bother to read the articles. And really, who can blame them?

24 posted on 07/18/2025 7:22:52 AM PDT by AFB-XYZ (( We have two options: 1. Stand up, or 2. Bend over))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Boom!!!


25 posted on 07/18/2025 7:25:48 AM PDT by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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To: Codeflier; AFB-XYZ

On the bright side, at least “Huge”, “Breaking”, “Gigantic”, “Holy $h!t, This is BIG!!!!!!!,” “SHOCKING” and “Boom!!!” weren’t in the headline.


26 posted on 07/18/2025 7:32:05 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Diversity is our Strength” just doesn’t carry the same message as “Death from Above”s)
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To: nathanbedford

“The Federal Reserve Bank exists for precisely the same reason that the Bill of Rights exists, to shield us from our democratic impulses.”

Insulting and a grossly false allegation!

Gold and silver were the only currency at the country’s founding and for over 110 years. It was repeated currency panics and lack of specie which necessitated creation of a federal reserve and fractional reserve banking.

Federal reserve is a collection of private banks operating, extensibly at the benefit of the nation to provide liquidity beyond the value of US treasury holdings.


27 posted on 07/18/2025 7:32:33 AM PDT by Justa (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people....)
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To: Red Badger
Another money laundering scheme.

Isn't embezzlement illegal?

29 posted on 07/18/2025 7:35:59 AM PDT by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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To: Red Badger

Given our debt situation the FED should be sitting around a few card tables pushed together.


30 posted on 07/18/2025 7:43:57 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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To: Justa
Insulting and a grossly false allegation!

I agree with what you said but it has nothing to do with what I said.

But don't worry, I'm not insulted.


31 posted on 07/18/2025 7:50:10 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: Red Badger

“Referring” it to the DOJ is just making a suggestion. It will go nowhere.


32 posted on 07/18/2025 7:58:13 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: thinden

If memory serves me well, private elevators to each office, a full chef and staff dining facility, to a club nobody is is invited to.


33 posted on 07/18/2025 8:00:32 AM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) "Diggin the scene with a gangster lean" (Mayfield, Curtis) )
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To: blackdog

nice.

let’s see private dining, so after dinning, the distinguished swampers can ride back to their office with out worrying about passing gas in the presence of the commoners?


34 posted on 07/18/2025 9:10:17 AM PDT by thinden (Buckle Up!)
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To: thinden
Unfortunately, don't think the Fed is the only agency up to this excessive opulence. Also, they are planning to install their own mini-nuclear power plants in each agency building, as the public is to suffer with the results of their "Green Initiatives".

Windmills for thee, but nuke for me.

35 posted on 07/18/2025 9:18:52 AM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) "Diggin the scene with a gangster lean" (Mayfield, Curtis) )
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To: blackdog
funny how the fed apparatchiks need a private chef, while trump is feeding the National Championship football teams Quarter pounders on their official visits to the White House
36 posted on 07/18/2025 9:33:02 AM PDT by thinden (Buckle Up!)
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To: thinden

I try to not eat them, but the epicurean pleasure of the Quarter Pounder or Filet o’ Fish, is as tasty as food gets. Unpretentious and sooo....good.


37 posted on 07/18/2025 9:49:31 AM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) "Diggin the scene with a gangster lean" (Mayfield, Curtis) )
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To: Red Badger

Maybe if he had just resigned gracefully...


38 posted on 07/18/2025 3:17:03 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Think about it: The Supreme Court is nine lawyers appointed for life by politicians. —David Horowitz)
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To: Justa

Federal reserve is a collection of private banks operating, extensibly at the benefit of the nation to provide liquidity beyond the value of US treasury holdings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ostensibly?


39 posted on 07/18/2025 5:34:34 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (President Trump is America's long-awaited SUPREME Commander in Chief. Deus Hoc Vult!)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Yes


40 posted on 07/18/2025 6:34:02 PM PDT by Justa (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people....)
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