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To: whitney69
It is not the duty of the military member to determine the lawfullness of an order from a superior...

It absolutely is the duty of the subordinate. An unlawful order is not to be given, and is not to be obeyed.

I witnessed it quite often. The most common ones were tied to funding or misuse of resources.

The transporters would face it often enough when someone wanted to move cargo without the proper inspection and documentation. That cargo was absolutely not going, no matter who gave the unlawful order and how many times they issued it.

There were multiple issues with commanders directing subordinates to fudge the status of resources and training reports. The subordinates absolutely called it out.

We had subordinates call out unlawful orders related to travel on government orders.

The Jim Jones Jab was unlawful through and through. Imagine, the country that held the Nuremberg trials was conducting experiments on humans in violation of it.

There was no waivers for those who already had COVID. Even General Washington didn't order the smallpox vaccine for soldiers who had already had smallpox. You saw how quickly that story disappeared from the propaganda media.

The manufacturers didn't release the contents of the shot. What exactly were the service members being ordered to take? An undefined solution with a brand name attached? They couldn't even define exactly what service members refused to take.

O M M O I R C O R N O I N C showed that the shots didn't work and they still kept the diktats in place. Even a simple vitamin, if it didn't work, would be clearly Fraud, Waste, and Abuse. In this case it was millions of dollars of government expense for something that was proven not to work and wasn't needed even if it did.

People should be sitting in Leavenworth for their roles in it.

40 posted on 04/11/2025 7:29:34 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

“It absolutely is the duty of the subordinate. An unlawful order is not to be given, and is not to be obeyed.”

And that’s the problem most don’t understand about determining a lawful order versus unlawful. The general rule is service members have a duty to obey lawful orders. But there is also a duty to disobey manifestly unlawful orders. That is, orders that a person of ordinary sense and understanding would know to be unlawful. At the time these orders were given there was no proof of anything that would be considered perminent danger in the taking of the vaccines other than the used car the media was feeding people about their contents, i.e., a lie. Therefore, it was not an unlawful order to be required to take the vaccines as per the order coming down from the top. The military takes many different types of injections yearly or for special locations even today.

Like I mentioned, at the time the only more serious reaction to the injections that happened with any regularity was anaphylaxis which a person can get getting a allergy shot or antibiotic injection.

The other two that were repaired with oral medication were myocarditis and pericarditis, which were very rare.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/vaccines/covid-19.html#:~:text=Severe%20allergic%20reactions%20following%20vaccination,and%20that%20may%20require%20hospitalization.

But going after people, especially lower ranking personnel that were ordered to order their troops to take the vaccine, is rediculous. There was no known danger in taking it in the early 90’s so it would be no different than taking a regular flu shot that everyone seems to ignore. Punishing them for following a lawful order at the time is being a Monday morning quarterback. And the offended members had the opportunity to separate if they wished. No harm, no foul.

As for fraud, waste and abuse, not at the time. So going after everyone up the chain starting from the lowest level is more fraud, waste, and especially abuse than you are referring to if I understand your entry.

wy69


46 posted on 04/12/2025 10:51:35 AM PDT by whitney69
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