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To: RetiredTexasVet
It seems crazy that in six years in the USAF, I never heard of anyone receiving or refusing an unlawful order.   How could guys now, make that claim?
38 posted on 04/11/2025 6:30:36 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: higgmeister
It seems crazy that in six years in the USAF, I never heard of anyone receiving or refusing an unlawful order. How could guys now, make that claim?

It may have been different when you were in but I saw a lot of it. One of our more infamous cases of a refusal to obey an unlawful order was when a SNCO correctly refused a direct order from an O-6. The SNCO was given a Letter of Reprimand which would have effectively ended his career but he knew his stuff. He refused the LOR and asked for a court martial as was his right.

The court exonerated him on day two.

The O-6 was done. The word on the street was that the MAJCOM and numbered Air Force were livid when they found out he was told that the order was unlawful and that he should rescind it. His real crime was that he didn't warn the Wing Commander that it was going to blow up. The Wing Commander was being reviewed for his next star when it all went down. He got the star but went forward with a cloud.

The O-6 retired not long after. It was clear that he wasn't going to get promoted and no one was lining up his next position.

A junior JAG captain got slapped but was cut some slack because he was so new. Two senior JAG captains didn't make major and while no one could definitively say that was the reason, it was odd that both of them didn't get promoted in the same promotion cycle.

41 posted on 04/11/2025 7:55:39 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: higgmeister

If you don’t have a copy but count on the online copy that the military maintains you will discover in the future that those records will come up missing or damaged or incomplete. Ask around for the people making claims from Vietnam, Iraq, etc.


42 posted on 04/11/2025 8:01:56 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Trump has arrived and it is awesome to have a real President.)
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To: higgmeister

You never heard any of your fellow airmen refusing the Clot shot?


43 posted on 04/11/2025 8:02:47 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Trump has arrived and it is awesome to have a real President.)
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To: higgmeister
It seems crazy that in six years in the USAF, I never heard of anyone receiving or refusing an unlawful order. How could guys now, make that claim?

How many unlawful orders could you have been given?

54 posted on 04/15/2025 1:45:31 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("It is infinitely better to have a few good Men, than many indifferent ones." - George Washington)
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