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Should English Majors Pay Less?
James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal ^ | December 6, 2024 | Joe Pitts

Posted on 12/08/2024 7:39:35 AM PST by karpov

Institutions of higher education are bracing for a crunch, if they aren’t experiencing one already. Slowing population growth, mounting skepticism of academia, and various other factors have provoked college leaders—at least perceptive ones—to craft novel strategies to navigate these perilous waters. Universities will be increasingly competing for a shrinking pool of customers in the years to come. How these institutions differentiate themselves and win over students will determine their ability to survive in the 21st century.

Universities, like firms in any stagnating market, will need to find new revenue sources or cut costs. There is no other way out of this conundrum. As Beth Akers, an economist studying higher education, has argued, the looming crunch may actually benefit students: “Higher education, the golden child of the movement to advance social mobility, has rested on its laurels and failed to incorporate innovations that will better serve students and our nation.” Necessity is the mother of invention. Declining revenues coupled with fierce competition may be what universities need to slash waste and deliver economic results for students.

In light of such shifts, a growing share of institutions are weighing the adoption of differential tuition (DT) policies. Conceptually, the model is simple. Instead of charging a flat rate for tuition regardless of major area or degree program, universities charge tuition based on the instructional costs of particular areas of study. Mechanical engineering majors, for instance, would likely pay higher tuition than English majors at a university implementing DT.

Universities are adopting DT for several reasons. For one, paying at the program level reduces if not eliminates the cross-subsidization implicit in charging a flat rate for all programs. No longer would lower-cost degree recipients pay a “premium” that partially funds more expensive degree programs. You get what you pay for.

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To: ComputerGuy

Joe Paterno is probably more responsible for the building boom at Penn State over the last few decades.

And the suits threw him under the bus - as he was sick and dying - trying to cover their own mistakes.

That’s when I lost all respect for college administrators.

Things only got worse with DEI and the anti-Semitism of late.


21 posted on 12/08/2024 8:15:05 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America.)
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To: karpov
The first problem is that they don't actually teach English for an English degree. The requirements ought to include a sound foundation in the Cannon of English [and Europeaan] literature including traditional literary criticism theory [not deconstructivist and all that rot]. Second shoule be the ability to write literate English. The third shoul be mastery of critical thinking. The forth should be the histrical context of English Literature [including the influence of classical liberalism, e.g. the philosophical foundations of personal liberty and societies that are directed towards the common good.] And as part of all of that you should have to pass a course on the philopshical roots of Wokeism and its multitudinous errors].

We need literate people to become lawyers, politicians and journalists and mastery of English is a good grounding. Our problems are that universities drove themselves off a cliff.

22 posted on 12/08/2024 8:19:47 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: stanne

> These kids are getting taken advantage of beyond reason… <

Yep. Part of the problem is how college advisors shamelessly mislead new students.

Say you want to be an engineering major. Your engineering advisor will hand you a paper laying out the required courses. The paper will also tell you what you can do with such a degree. So far, so good.

Now suppose you want to be a theater arts major. Your theater arts advisor will hand you a paper laying out the required courses. And the paper will tell you what you can do with such a degree.

That theater arts paper will be filled with exaggerations and lies. It will make it look like a theater arts degree is more valuable than an engineering degree.

This is what happened to a child of a friend of mine.

Sure, a theater arts student must do his own due diligence. But he’s being fooled from the moment he steps on campus.


23 posted on 12/08/2024 8:22:29 AM PST by Leaning Right (It’s morning in America. Again.)
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To: JimRed

“Of what use is a degree in English, other than to become an English teacher?”

Ask the retired public-school teachers on $60,000+/year pensions.

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24 posted on 12/08/2024 8:22:45 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Twotone

I agree with what you are trying to achieve but much of what is at the community college level should have already been taught in high school.

Until failures like the department of education and No Child Left Behind are flushed there can be no progress. The present conversation on education often degenerates into one of arguing over what statue belongs at the pinnacle rather than addressing the collapsing foundation.


25 posted on 12/08/2024 8:23:05 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Hivemind liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives select servants.)
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To: karpov
--- "Should English Majors Pay Less?"

Should government fund "forgivable" loans for tuition at all? No. Zilch. Zip. Nada.

If students had to pay back what they borrowed without any "assistance" from taxpayers, the tuition escalation merry-go-round would grind to a halt. Fast.

Remember, this game was an Obama scheme.....

26 posted on 12/08/2024 8:25:11 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Reily
A social science\liberal arts degree, e.g. English is easier to get then engineering\STEM degrees.

If properly taught, a humanities/liberal arts curriculum should be quite challenging and should make students familiar with the Great Books of Western civilization.

27 posted on 12/08/2024 8:25:51 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: gnarledmaw

They have certainly ruined K thru 12, as far as teaching anything important. Education needs a total overhaul at every level.


28 posted on 12/08/2024 8:26:55 AM PST by Twotone ( What's the difference between a politician & a flying pig? The letter "F.")
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To: ComputerGuy

No, it’s football that pays the football coaches.


29 posted on 12/08/2024 8:28:26 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: ClearCase_guy
Vocational schools are far superior...

That depends entirely upon your personal goals. Modern times have confused the purpose of "higher education". Originally, universities were intended to round out the gentleman. Learned people wanted to master their own language as well as other languages. Learning history, philosophy, arts, and literature is part of becoming "well rounded". These serve the soul of the man and supposedly prepare him to become a solid citizen. Topics like Chemistry, Physics, Biology, Mathematics, and various Engineering degrees were hosted by universities due to their esoteric natures. It was natural to pursue those endeavors at the university level. In short, universities were not intended to be trade schools; and, those originally existed in ample supply.

Starting around the 1960s, I suppose, employers began requiring college degrees for new hires. Software skills were in high demand, and those without college degrees could master them in certain problem domains. Requiring college degrees for software jobs was a reliable method of narrowing down the applicant base of potential hires. I recall being among a rare breed with my Computer Science degree even in the early 1970s.

As time wore on, employers were demanding degrees for prospective employees even for those jobs which had no need of "the whole man". A mad scramble into the universities followed in order for the population be considered for employment. Some people went off to college to avoid the draft as well. Requirements for college degrees for almost every form of employment expanded rather stupidly. I suspect lazy HR departments would try anything to narrow the field of job applicants.

So, yes, trade schools need to brought back in large numbers. Apprenticeship programs would also be a big help. This entire problem is intensified with the loss of our industrial base and a monumental shift to software solutions to all domains.

30 posted on 12/08/2024 8:32:26 AM PST by GingisK
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To: karpov

An unintended consequence of differential tuition would be that the successful graduates earning more from science related curricula might be less inclined to make charitable contributions to the university’s student funds and foundations. If I’ve already paid more for my education than others in less rigorous majors, I’m not likely to reward that approach with charitable donations. And the less rigorous majors are less likely to turn out graduates who would make up that difference.


31 posted on 12/08/2024 8:33:44 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Twotone

I agree 100%. My son wanted to pursue a degree in philosophy. I refused to pay for it unless he went and got a marketable trade at a community college first. He went through the welding program and got an associates degree in welding. Now he’s making me pay for his philosophy degree lol. I call him the philosophical welder.


32 posted on 12/08/2024 8:33:53 AM PST by Darth Gill
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To: Leaning Right

“ That theater arts paper will be filled with exaggerations and lies. It will make it look like a theater arts degree is more valuable than an engineering degree.”

Parents need to quit relying on school personnel to guide their kids

Talk about these things over burgers At chilis or in traffic


33 posted on 12/08/2024 8:35:41 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Parents need to quit relying on school personnel to guide their kids

Talk about these things over burgers At chilis or in traffic

And read and be informed.


34 posted on 12/08/2024 8:36:37 AM PST by stanne
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To: JimRed
Of what use is a degree in English, other than to become an English teacher?

Becoming a writer of any sort. It is easy to lose sight of the value of being literate in the Land of the Cellular Phone.

Today's youngsters can't even write a decent datasheet for the fruits of their engineering endeavor. Its pathetic, really.

35 posted on 12/08/2024 8:36:54 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Twotone
We need fewer universities & more community colleges that teach actual skills.

People with actual skills who want to teach are already in short supply. Arbitrarily increasing the number of schools guarantees a reduction in qualified teachers and a reduction in the quality of that education. For many trades, apprenticeship programs are probably a better solution.

36 posted on 12/08/2024 8:44:10 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Twotone
We need fewer universities & more community colleges that teach actual skills.

People with actual skills who want to teach are already in short supply. Arbitrarily increasing the number of schools guarantees a reduction in qualified teachers and a reduction in the quality of that education. For many trades, apprenticeship programs are probably a better solution.

37 posted on 12/08/2024 8:45:04 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Darth Gill

Philosophy - one of the best courses I ever took was in classical logic. Syllogisms with all their existential modifiers rock.


38 posted on 12/08/2024 8:50:40 AM PST by glorgau
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To: ComputerGuy

Only at division 1 schools.


39 posted on 12/08/2024 9:02:11 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Fiji Hill

Much of that should be done in college prep classes at the K12 level. Yes, I know they aren’t.


40 posted on 12/08/2024 9:14:17 AM PST by Reily
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