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Article V Saved the Constitution
Article V Blog ^ | May 7th 2018 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 09/17/2024 5:24:07 AM PDT by Jacquerie

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To: Political Junkie Too
Would your amendment include curbs on birthright citizenship?

It didn't, but only because I didn't think Dems would ever agree to it, and you'd need Dem support to get an Amendment passed and ratified. I mean, I'd prefer no amnesty too, but we wouldn't get all the other stuff necessary to fix the problem if we don't give something up.

But sure, we could add in that children born in this country to anyone who is here illegally do not get citizenship. I just wouldn't count on that making whatever the final version would be.

21 posted on 09/17/2024 9:00:16 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: DiogenesLamp
We fix the media-lie-system, and we fix everything.

How to we do that while still respecting the First Amendment? Because I'm extremely reluctant to open the door to limiting speech - including media speech - that we don't like.

The prerequisite for any "equal time" analysis is someone in government having the power to characterize speech, determine what "side" that speech is on, and approve/disapprove who gets to respond. And I don't want to give that kind of power to anyone.

22 posted on 09/17/2024 9:05:08 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
How to we do that while still respecting the First Amendment? Because I'm extremely reluctant to open the door to limiting speech - including media speech - that we don't like.

The broadcasting system used to be regarded as a public resource, because there was limited bandwidth and the spectrum was controlled by the government, ostensibly for the benefit of all Americans.

While the bandwidth is effectively no longer limited, the existing broadcasting system is viewed by the majority of the public as still acting in the public's best interest, and it is also viewed as non-partisan, which is the consequence of the carefully cultivated efforts by the government back in the 1950s and 1960s to keep it non-partisan. The "equal time" requirement was the system they used to do it.

There is no suggestion of "limiting speech" by censoring the media-liars. The only rational way to break the system is by forcing equal time. The media-liars can still say whatever they want, but what they wouldn't be able to do any longer is to lie or mislead or omit, without our side being able to point out the lie, point out the misdirection, or talk about a story or issue the media-liars want kept buried.

The answer to bad speech, is good speech, not the censorship of bad speech.

When bad speech people understand that good speech people will come right behind them and expose their lie, their misdirection, or their omission of important facts and stories, the bad speech people will *STOP DOING IT!*

Just think. If every *#%$& Media-liar knew their lie would be immediately exposed, or every story they tried to cover up would be brought out anyway, they would avoid the embarrassment and they would actual tell the truth.

They only do their corrupt stuff because they know they control the airwaves and nobody can stop them from lying to the public, or misleading the public, or covering up stuff that would make the public vote differently.

When they know they will be caught, they won't do it.

The prerequisite for any "equal time" analysis is someone in government having the power to characterize speech, determine what "side" that speech is on, and approve/disapprove who gets to respond.

That is a presumption which I reject. The government doesn't have to make a determination regarding the particulars of speech. They only have to address complaints that the opposition party did not get equal time.

I'm going to end my comment with this quote from Benjamin Franklin in his essay "apology for printers."

"Printers are educated in the Belief, that when Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick; and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter: Hence they chearfully serve all contending Writers that pay them well, without regarding on which side they are of the Question in Dispute."

23 posted on 09/17/2024 11:01:36 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
...A "privacy" Amendment. An "equal rights" Amendment..."
You know there already was an Equal Rights Amendment, back in the 70s, right? It never got ratified, no matter how hard the media, which still had a shred of credibility back then, pushed it. Okay, maybe you're not old enough to remember, so it's understandable if you haven't heard of it. It's not as if the Leftists in the media and academia like to dredge up and re-live their failures from long ago.

The funny thing is though, in the time since, Leftists re-grouped, learned from their failure, and went about imposing most of what they wanted, including the things conservative activism (which was in its infancy back then) warned the public about (gay marriage, job quotas, men in women's bathrooms, women in combat, etc.) one bit at a time.

So...yeah. I worry a lot about the results of an Article V convention given where we are today as a people, and how gullible people are all across the political spectrum. Conning them into voting for wording that is sold to them as one thing but actually could mean something quite different is entirely possible.

You do realize that Congress could propose the same sort of amendments you mention right now if they wanted to, right? There's nothing stopping them, yet they don't. Ever wonder why that is? Did you ever consider that the media aren't nearly as influential as they want you to think they are?

But then again, maybe you're right; maybe it's too risky to propose new amendments now. Maybe it's better to wait until some time later when things get really bad and the country is completely overrun by tens of millions of illegals and their then-adult (and voting) anchor baby children. I'm sure it will be easier to right the ship then.
24 posted on 09/17/2024 8:25:28 PM PDT by Subcutaneous Fishstick Blues
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